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33. Magicwand (3d) vs. zinger (1d)

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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:17 pm
by HKA
Kirby wrote:
HKA wrote:
daniel_the_smith wrote:
Wasn't p19 sente for zinger?


Yes. I was unaware of the prisoner count - with zinger being up by 4 there, I think he is ok. P19 followed by k18 seems like sente to me, then r9 should make him comfortable


zinger is down by 4 prisoners, isn't he?


Well, it says prisoners white 5 - I read that to mean 5 white stones are dead but it could mean white has 5 prisoners. Not sure which is right - big difference.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:20 pm
by Kirby
I think it comes from
Black captured: R14 (which is a white prisoner)
White captured: C17, B2, F4, N6, and G3 (which are black prisoners)

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:22 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X 1 O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I hope I am not embarrassing myself in this endgame.

His move was the other one I considered, worth about the same as E18 by my figures.

I figure Q2 is worth 7.5 points: 4 for me, since the first line hane/connection becomes my privelege; and 3.5 for him, 2 by itself plus half of a three point followup. That makes it bigger than R9, which is 5 points.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:26 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Chew Terr wrote:
Oh, thanks HKA. K18 skips to the same effect with less waste.


Huh? Well, I guess it might not matter which order you play them in.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:28 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:44 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, I kept sente that time, let's see if I can again, before taking R9 or maybe K19.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:48 pm
by Kirby
This is an interesting game. Can you guys just email me the result when you're finished, so that I can stop checking to see if somebody's moved?

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:52 pm
by zinger
Kirby wrote:This is an interesting game. Can you guys just email me the result when you're finished, so that I can stop checking to see if somebody's moved?

heheh, what fun is that?

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:53 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . W . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i am still down few points...

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:58 pm
by daniel_the_smith
I count black up by five or so, even with prisoners.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:58 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O 1 . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


5 points

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:01 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X 4 . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O 1 . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . 2 O 3 |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . 6 . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

let me know if you disagree with above.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:03 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . 2 3 . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll take the stone at the top instead. If you still play 2, I answer at 3.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:05 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O W X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:07 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think white leads by one or two points
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