The Intrepid wrote:This game's exciting! ... and to think opex was almost ready to throw in the towel at one point. Never give up, never surrender!
There is a problem for Black here. Black intends to cut White if White tenukis. However, cutting takes away liberties from his own group on the right, potentially leading to a huge ko fight:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O a . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X 3 O 4 O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . 2 1 X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O a . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X 3 O 4 O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . 2 1 X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
did you also have (a) Q15 in mind ? So answering the cut looks urgent and your edit - suggested looks promising, but i think black made it.
edit: oops i misinterpreted your post. It's just that black*s cut ends gote.
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:48 am
by skydyr
Shinkenjoe wrote:oops i misinterpreted your post. It's just that black*s cut ends gote.
Well, black can choose sente in exchange for the ko. Whether that's a good idea or not is a different story.
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:24 am
by opex
$$Wcm148 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , 1 . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm148 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , 1 . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Once in eternity i could write a more malkovitchish post
His move threatens the cut:
$$Bcm1 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X 3 O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . 2 1 X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X 3 O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . 2 1 X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |[/go]
But it doesn't seem to be sente:
$$Bcm5 elsewhere $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 5 . O . 6 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O 4 O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O 2 3 O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X X O 1 O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
[go]$$Bcm5 elsewhere $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 5 . O . 6 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O 4 O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O 2 3 O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X X O 1 O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |[/go]
$$Bcm5 elsewhere $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 7 5 O . 8 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O 6 O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X 1 O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O 2 4 O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X X O 3 O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |
[go]$$Bcm5 elsewhere $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 7 5 O . 8 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O 6 O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X 1 O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O 2 4 O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X X O 3 O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . |[/go]
But it reveals that black can play c in sente:
$$Wcm148 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . b . . . c . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . d X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . 2 a . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm148 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . b . . . c . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . d X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . 2 a . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
And he has moves like and b to search life locally, a to connect, so it seems impossible to kill him here. Thus i'd like to start grabbing territory, but an obvious move doesn't quite work: it doesn't close the side since forces me to connect d and pokes into the territory. So letting him connect doesn't seem good. Therefore, i choose to deny him a, so that i'm connected and more or less safe, and he needs to find ways to live locally. Of course, his group will try to break out here and there... I was thinking about ways to prevent these break-outs while allowing him to connect, but i didn't find anything satisfactory: he still has ways to enter my territory. So at last it seems i'll still be behind...
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:31 am
by jts
skydyr wrote:
Shinkenjoe wrote:oops i misinterpreted your post. It's just that black*s cut ends gote.
Well, black can choose sente in exchange for the ko. Whether that's a good idea or not is a different story.
I think B can even fight a ko to get W to connect *first*, while he has plenty of liberties, and then (once W, inevitably, connects) then put the cut into action.
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:48 pm
by DJLLAP
$$Wcm148 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , 1 . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm148 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , 1 . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
What a flurry of comments! I am aiming to threaten two things here. Capture those 2 stones, or make an eye on the side. I am pretty sure I can't be killed here, but if I am not careful, I might be in trouble.
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:00 pm
by The Intrepid
Black's move looks to be a mistake. Now White can play the following eye-destroying move in sente:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |[/go]
Moreover, Black is probably misreading here as far as whether his move threatens to capture the two White stones or not:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . 2 1 . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . 2 1 . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |[/go]
This is not the time to play inaccurately. Black needs to focus, realize the grave danger he's in, and steel himself for rugged resistance.
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:32 am
by opex
$$Wcm150 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm150 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I hope it's sente. If he ignores to play something like b9 and i proceed to cut him in two, complications arise, so i'm slightly worried. On the other hand, isn't i the one to be seeking complications?
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:37 am
by DJLLAP
$$Wcm150 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X 2 X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm150 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X 2 X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:31 am
by opex
$$Wcm152 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . 1 . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm152 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . 1 . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
What a quick reply.. It was a no-brainer for him. I hope my move isn't a not-enough-brainer
So, he connected, he should play safe. How could i use this attitude...
I like to be safe too. If he cuts me and then goes here, i might have troubles, so i opt to protect my skirt and a little territory. Let's look at his eyes now.
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:11 pm
by DJLLAP
$$Wcm152 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . 1 . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm152 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . 1 . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:34 am
by opex
$$Wcm154 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . O . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm154 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . O . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Deny sneaking into the corner
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:33 pm
by DJLLAP
$$Wcm154 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 X . . . 2 . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . O . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm154 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 X . . . 2 . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . O . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Making some eyes
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:38 pm
by The Intrepid
Lest I'm misreading, Black has only one eye on top--even if White tenukis. White needs to be careful, however, not to give Black an eye in the center. One cooperative variation follows:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X 3 O 4 O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . 2 1 X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X 7 O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O 5 O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X 6 O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . O . O . . 8 . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X 3 O 4 O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . 2 1 X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X 7 O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O 5 O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X 6 O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . O . O . . 8 . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |[/go]
$$Bcm9 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X X O O O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O 3 . 1 O X X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X X O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O X O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O 2 X O O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . O . O . . O . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |
[go]$$Bcm9 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X X O O O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O 3 . 1 O X X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X X O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O X O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O 2 X O O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . O . O . . O . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . |[/go]
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:49 pm
by opex
$$Wcm156 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . 1 X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . O . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm156 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . 1 X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . O . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Time to protect. This way i either connect or build two eyes.
Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:37 am
by DJLLAP
$$Wcm156 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . 2 . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . 1 X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . O . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm156 Captures: b - 1, w - 8. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . 2 . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . X O . O X X . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . X . O . O O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . O X O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X . O . O X O X X . . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . 1 X . X X O . X . . | $$ | . . O X X X X . O O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . O O . O X X O X O O O O . . | $$ | . . . , O . X . O X O . O . O X . O . | $$ | . O . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . X X X X X O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . | $$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O | $$ | . X O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
looks promising, but i think black made it.
elsewhere
and b to search life locally, a to connect, so it seems impossible to kill him here. Thus i'd like to start grabbing territory, but an obvious move 
forces me to connect d and pokes into the territory. So letting him connect doesn't seem good. Therefore, i choose to deny him a, so that i'm connected and more or less safe, and he needs to find ways to live locally. Of course, his group will try to break out here and there... I was thinking about ways to prevent these break-outs while allowing him to connect, but i didn't find anything satisfactory: he still has ways to enter my territory. So at last it seems i'll still be behind...