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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:23 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm121 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . 9 O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:32 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm121 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 0 X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It hurts.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:32 pm
by Dusk Eagle
I still think Joaz's move would've been a nice kikashi for Kirby two moves ago.

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . 1 O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:44 pm
by Kirby
Some counting based on my previous estimate, with some of the more recent developments:

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[go]$$Wcm121
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | y y y c c c y y y y y y y y y y y . . |
$$ | y y y c c c y y y y z X X . X z X X . |
$$ | y y z X c c c y y z X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | c z X X c c c X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | c X c c c c c . X O O O b O O . . a a |
$$ | c c c c c c c . . O b b b b O a O a a |
$$ | c c c c c c c X O a O b a b O a a a a |
$$ | c c c X X X . X X O O O b O O b a a a |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O b O a O b O a a a a |
$$ | . . O a X a a a O b b O b a a a a a a |
$$ | . . a O a a a a a a a O a . O . O . . |
$$ | d d d d d d d a a O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | a a a a d d d O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | a O b a a a d . X y X X z X z z X y y |
$$ | a a O a a a d . . X y X z y X z z X y |
$$ | a a a O a O . . X y X z y z z X X y y |
$$ | a a a a a a a . . y X z z z X X X y y |
$$ | a a a a a a a . . y y X X y z X z y y |
$$ | a a a a a a a . . y y y y y y y y y y |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


-1 c
+1 z
-1 c
+1 b
appx. +9 a
+3 c

net:
+ 1 c
+ 1 z
+ 1 b
+ 9 a


original: 112W - 124B

Now, 1+2 = 3 more points for black.
2 + 9 = 11 more points for white.

So, we are looking at 123 for white to 127 for black. Maybe the game is within about 5 points, now.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:48 pm
by Kirby
I think that I can say that, if I lose this game, I deserve to lose. I've been given several chances, but I keep throwing chances back...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:13 pm
by Kirby
Here are some of the chances that have been thrown back and forth in this game, as I feel them:


Here, I felt like I was doing alright in the game:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm41 black: 4 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X X O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . 3 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe white gave me a "chance" in the diagram above.


By the time we hit the following diagram, I did not feel that great about my position. Perhaps I had given the "chance" back:
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[go]$$Wcm51 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In the diagram below, I feel like the "chance" was given back to me. I do not know if it was intentional or not:
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[go]$$Wcm51 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O 0 O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Here, I started to feel uneasy again - though, I'm not quite sure where I went wrong:
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[go]$$Wcm71 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here, I think that white was getting back an advantage:
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[go]$$Wcm91 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 2 X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here, still, I think that white has an advantage:
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[go]$$Wcm111 Captured Stones: black 6, white 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 1 X X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was given a big "chance" in this diagram:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm111 Captured Stones: black 6, white 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And I think I threw away the "chance", again with this move:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm121 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 4 . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now, the game is fairly close, I think. I will try not to give up any more "chances"...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:16 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:31 pm
by Chew Terr
Kirby wrote:
Here are some of the chances that have been thrown back and forth in this game, as I feel them:


Here, I felt like I was doing alright in the game:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm41 black: 4 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X X O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . 3 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe white gave me a "chance" in the diagram above.


By the time we hit the following diagram, I did not feel that great about my position. Perhaps I had given the "chance" back:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm51 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In the diagram below, I feel like the "chance" was given back to me. I do not know if it was intentional or not:
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[go]$$Wcm51 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O 0 O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Here, I started to feel uneasy again - though, I'm not quite sure where I went wrong:
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[go]$$Wcm71 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here, I think that white was getting back an advantage:
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[go]$$Wcm91 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 2 X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here, still, I think that white has an advantage:
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[go]$$Wcm111 Captured Stones: black 6, white 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 1 X X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was given a big "chance" in this diagram:
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[go]$$Wcm111 Captured Stones: black 6, white 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And I think I threw away the "chance", again with this move:
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[go]$$Wcm121 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 4 . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now, the game is fairly close, I think. I will try not to give up any more "chances"...


I really think Kirby is looking at it the wrong way. From your previous handicap games, you know MW isn't going to "give" you anything. If you kill a group, either your opponent made a mistake or you're playing above your level. If you lost a group, maybe you misread, or maybe your opponent found a brilliant tesuji. Just know, there are two players in the game. You're not being given opportunities, you're making them by exploiting mistakes.

The other day, I played a game where I managed to keep control for the majority of the game. I estimate that I was about 20 points ahead when we got down to the last half-point ko. We were fighting that ko when we realized that a ko threat had an unexpected followup if answered wrong. In byo-yomi, I answered wrong and gave up a 50 point capture, losing the game by 20. I started to get really frustrated for 'giving up' the game. After a few minutes, however, I managed to put myself back into a proper mindset. While I lost the game, I am pleased with how the vast majority of the game went, chasing my opponent all over to make territory and link my weak groups. While my single byo-yomi error happened to outvalue the numerous small mistakes my opponent made, I played a solid game for the majority, and can be content. Just because your opponent catches up by exploiting a few mistakes doesn't mean your game was worthless or that you are a bad player. If you were ahead, then you were exploiting mistakes too, so it cuts both ways.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:13 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The game's not over, yet!

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:24 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:33 pm
by Kirby
Considering options in the following set of actions: {b11, b10, tenuki}.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:41 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess two intersections above where I played was also an option, locally...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:58 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm131 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:59 am
by Kirby
Hmmm... I thought I was OK:
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[go]$$Bcm1 :w10: at 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . 5 6 . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | 7 4 3 8 . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | 9 2 W X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X 3 . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | X O O O 1 . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . 2 . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, now his previous move has some sort of meaning. For example, what if he plays this way:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X 3 . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . 6 5 . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O 8 X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I might be OK, but it is a little bit complicated. I MUST read this one out completely, because there still might be a chance for me (on the board) if I atari:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . W X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Of course, the play above is a point loss - but it will be better than losing everything if I put it all on the line... So, I'm hoping that I was correct before, and that the following move works:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . B X O O O . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
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But I've gotta be totally sure before playing it...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:26 am
by topazg
Kirby's in real trouble if he has to let his stone get captured here.

FWIW, my :b34: would have been:

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