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Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:01 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
yoyoma wrote:Joaz Banbeck wrote:There are two big plays on the board, and two medium-sized ones.
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The upper left is a double sente worth about 15 points.
The lower right ( S2 by white lives! ) is big...it is hard to count...maybe 25-30 points to the first player. It is dual gote.
The lower left - connecting or disconnecting my stones - is also around 25-30 points, and also gote for both.
The middle - where I played - is worth maybe 20 points...but is also hard to count. It is hard to say if it is sente or gote when I play it. The PITA is that it is big sente for him.
Another strange comment about double sente. If the upper left is really double sente, then white should play there in sente, and then play in the middle next, in order to get both.
Big sente for him; rather small for me. If I play it, he can tenuki and take something bigger.
Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:15 pm
by Magicwand
topazg wrote:2-0 against magicwand in even Malkovich games is pretty good evidence I'd have thought
That said, I'd love to see you play him too!
2-1 is correct.
Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:53 pm
by Chew Terr
Thank you all for your insightful comments. Reading through this thread is... really humbling. Hopefully I can study and learn from it, but it's still hard to watch yourself get crushed.
Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:22 pm
by topazg
Magicwand wrote:topazg wrote:2-0 against magicwand in even Malkovich games is pretty good evidence I'd have thought
That said, I'd love to see you play him too!
2-1 is correct.
I apologise magicwand, you are quite right
I must have been thinking about my own defeats or something
Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:24 pm
by Violence
Sure, Joaz, just after I clean off my own plate... I'm planning to move in my other Malkovich tonight.
Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:56 pm
by hyperpape
Joaz Banbeck wrote:Big sente for him; rather small for me. If I play it, he can tenuki and take something bigger.
I would have thought this is a way of saying "sente for him, not sente for me".
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:59 pm
by EdLee
Thank you, guys; I learned from this thread.
Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:55 pm
by Kirby
Chew Terr wrote:Thank you all for your insightful comments. Reading through this thread is... really humbling. Hopefully I can study and learn from it, but it's still hard to watch yourself get crushed.
Hopefully you don't feel down, Chew. I think I can understand your feeling to some degree having been crushed, myself. Actually, I think you did really well for the first part of the game, so I wouldn't feel bad about anything, really.
I'd suggest playing another Malkovich games. After getting crushed time after time, it hurts a little less.
Well, maybe not...
I am still humiliated from time to time, but... I guess that's the way the game goes.
In any case, please don't feel upset about the game. You were rockin' until the last bit!
Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:15 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Violence wrote:Sure, Joaz, just after I clean off my own plate... I'm planning to move in my other Malkovich tonight.
No rush; the honeydo list is long.