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Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:59 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: :black: :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X , . . 1 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks like it results in a ko as well.

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:59 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X , . 2 1 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This game is so frustrating to me. In my last game against Marcus, I messed up near the end game with a blunder. I wonder if the same thing has happened again. Maybe I underestimate him.

I guess he is a better player (person?) than me. :-(

Anyway, I want to fight this ko. It's the only choice I have, I think. The other thing to consider might be this, but it doesn't work, since black can play the last move in the sequence:
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O 2 O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X 4 6 5 1 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O 3 |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X X 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:57 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: :black: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O 3 C |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X , . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The ko begins ... I have some nice big threats in the upper left ... but will it be enough to resurrect my chances?

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:02 pm
by Kirby
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X 4 . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:20 pm
by Loons
From my games against Marcus (a long time ago!) His late midgame/early endgame were far and away the strongest part of his game (at least he admits to some reading now!).

Hopefully I haven't jinxed Marcus' next move by saying that!

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:14 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X 5 O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Nice local threat. I missed that line of play ... I'm gonna have to play tight, and hope I don't miss too many lines.

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:54 am
by kex
For observers
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X 5 O a X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O X b |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Am I stupid, or what do I not see? Shouldn't black just connect at b? 25 and a are miai to make the eye false...

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:59 am
by Aphelion
I think Q13 is sente to capture the P13 stones

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:11 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O . 6 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Nobody sees this move coming, huh...

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:18 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Marcus does not even have to win the ko. He can lose the ko like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O 1 O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O 2 |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and still win the game.

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:27 am
by ethanb
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Marcus does not even have to win the ko. He can lose the ko like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O 1 O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O 2 |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and still win the game.


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . 4 . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O 1 O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O 2 |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...are you sure?

(for the sake of clarity, M14 might be a better move; this one just makes the possibility I'm talking about more obvious at first glance)

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:44 am
by Marcus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . 7 O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I believe this is the best choice of threats ... if White ignores, he gives me a lot of different ways to attack:

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[go]$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: :b2: :w5:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . a . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . 1 O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . 3 C X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O b O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X O . O C |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O 2 |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:51 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . 8 O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:07 pm
by Marcus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O 9 C |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
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Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:41 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-5
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