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33. Magicwand (3d) vs. zinger (1d)

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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:10 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O W O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:13 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . 1 X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
4 points plus equity at M19

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:15 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . W . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:22 pm
by Kirby
This looks dangerous for white.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:25 pm
by topazg
Surely White had to block last move ??
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . W . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O 3 . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O a O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O 2 , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . 1 4 b X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . 5 X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Dead? "a" and "b" miai for false eye ..

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:28 pm
by Magicwand
yea yea...i dont have to read hidden... i already saw myself...
i know what you guys are talking about...
i was ahead by 1 or 2 points..i have to go somewhere 30 min ago..:(
i will never play this way again :( :(

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:30 pm
by Magicwand
i have to goto a dinner.
i will be back tonite.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:37 pm
by Bill Spight
zinger wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There are people around who are better than I at this sort of thing, but. . . .



I think that this :b1: causes White some problems.

Edit: Unhidden.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:41 pm
by Kirby
Bill Spight wrote:
zinger wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There are people around who are better than I at this sort of thing, but. . . .



I think that this :b1: causes White some problems.
I guess white can K14 when he has the chance (after black 1 in your sgf), but it is hard to play like that when the game is so close like this.

Edit: Maybe. The center group is also kind of weak...

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:02 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . 1 . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Magicwand: I updated the prisoner count to include the capture at H18.
hmmm .. white's shape there looks strange. Maybe I can force him to waste a move (and a point!) by living inside. But first I have to stop him connecting (with points!) at K14.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:25 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . W O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:45 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . 1 X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . O O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
hmmm ... I wonder if I am strong enough outside to try to kill ..

Well if I just let him live, I will lead by a few points. That seems like a safe way to win.

On the other hand .. after some reading .. I really think I can kill him. So I go for it!!

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:55 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . 1 X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . O O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . W X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:58 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . O O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . 1 . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
one way or the other this is going to be exciting

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:02 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . W X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . O O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
lets raise the anti.
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