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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:10 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O W O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:13 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . 1 X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


4 points plus equity at M19

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:15 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . W . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:22 pm
by Kirby
This looks dangerous for white.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:25 pm
by topazg
Surely White had to block last move ??

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . W . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O 3 . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O a O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O 2 , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . 1 4 b X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . 5 X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Dead? "a" and "b" miai for false eye ..

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:28 pm
by Magicwand
yea yea...i dont have to read hidden... i already saw myself...
i know what you guys are talking about...
i was ahead by 1 or 2 points..i have to go somewhere 30 min ago..:(
i will never play this way again :( :(

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:30 pm
by Magicwand
i have to goto a dinner.
i will be back tonite.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:37 pm
by Bill Spight
zinger wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




There are people around who are better than I at this sort of thing, but. . . .

[sgf-full](;FF[4]ST[2]CA[ISO8859-1]GM[1]AP[GOWrite:2.2.21]SZ[19]C[Diagram from http\://lifein19x19.com/

prisoners\: white 5, black 1]GN[prisoners\: white 5, black 1]AW[im][hm][li][qm][qq][mm][qi][pm][be][hl][cl][gi][hi][bi][ci][di][cd][lp][of][qj][qr][nj][gp][ip][hd][kd][pp][dj][nq][bq][bp][dq][ep][fq][hq][mo][dc][gk][no][dg][ro][oo][bc][ok][so][kg][lg][rk][rg][dk][og][pg][fk][cr][ar][oc][ps][pc][fo][lc][hr][nc][gr][dr][ic][jc][cb][ih][bs][jh][bf][qn][hb][rn][dh][ln][ob][nn][on][nh][oh][ph][qh][cm][fn][bg]PL[B]DT[2010-05-13]PB[ ]FG[259:]AB[pi][le][ii][rm][sm][nm][ce][ri][de][om][gl][fl][il][bl][el][dl][fi][kp][or][nf][ed][nr][mp][pr][hp][rl][kf][pl][ql][kj][ol][ld][ij][pf][od][qf][nd][jl][rf][pd][ej][cj][mq][pq][cp][cq][dp][eq][qe][ap][hk][ko][cg][lo][ec][lk][mk][hg][nk][ng][bk][qg][ck][ek][bo][qc][jr][gc][hc][go][fh][hh][cf][pn][sn][ib][gb][eb][qb][pb][dn][rh][bm]PW[ ]PM[0]PC[http\://lifein19x19.com/]
;B[jb]
;W[kb]
;B[mb]
;W[mc]
;B[je]
)[/sgf-full]

I think that this :b1: causes White some problems.

Edit: Unhidden.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:41 pm
by Kirby
Bill Spight wrote:
zinger wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O . X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




There are people around who are better than I at this sort of thing, but. . . .

[sgf-full](;FF[4]ST[2]CA[ISO8859-1]GM[1]AP[GOWrite:2.2.21]SZ[19]C[Diagram from http\://lifein19x19.com/

prisoners\: white 5, black 1]GN[prisoners\: white 5, black 1]AW[im][hm][li][qm][qq][mm][qi][pm][be][hl][cl][gi][hi][bi][ci][di][cd][lp][of][qj][qr][nj][gp][ip][hd][kd][pp][dj][nq][bq][bp][dq][ep][fq][hq][mo][dc][gk][no][dg][ro][oo][bc][ok][so][kg][lg][rk][rg][dk][og][pg][fk][cr][ar][oc][ps][pc][fo][lc][hr][nc][gr][dr][ic][jc][cb][ih][bs][jh][bf][qn][hb][rn][dh][ln][ob][nn][on][nh][oh][ph][qh][cm][fn][bg]PL[B]DT[2010-05-13]PB[ ]FG[259:]AB[pi][le][ii][rm][sm][nm][ce][ri][de][om][gl][fl][il][bl][el][dl][fi][kp][or][nf][ed][nr][mp][pr][hp][rl][kf][pl][ql][kj][ol][ld][ij][pf][od][qf][nd][jl][rf][pd][ej][cj][mq][pq][cp][cq][dp][eq][qe][ap][hk][ko][cg][lo][ec][lk][mk][hg][nk][ng][bk][qg][ck][ek][bo][qc][jr][gc][hc][go][fh][hh][cf][pn][sn][ib][gb][eb][qb][pb][dn][rh][bm]PW[ ]PM[0]PC[http\://lifein19x19.com/]
;B[jb]
;W[kb]
;B[mb]
;W[mc]
;B[je]
)[/sgf-full]

I think that this :b1: causes White some problems.


I guess white can K14 when he has the chance (after black 1 in your sgf), but it is hard to play like that when the game is so close like this.

Edit: Maybe. The center group is also kind of weak...

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:02 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . 1 . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand: I updated the prisoner count to include the capture at H18.

hmmm .. white's shape there looks strange. Maybe I can force him to waste a move (and a point!) by living inside. But first I have to stop him connecting (with points!) at K14.

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:25 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . W O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:45 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . 1 X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . O O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


hmmm ... I wonder if I am strong enough outside to try to kill ..

Well if I just let him live, I will lead by a few points. That seems like a safe way to win.

On the other hand .. after some reading .. I really think I can kill him. So I go for it!!

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:55 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . 1 X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . O O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . W X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:58 pm
by zinger
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . O O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . 1 . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


one way or the other this is going to be exciting

Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:02 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c prisoners: white 5, black 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . W X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . X . X O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . O O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O X . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O O O O X |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X X |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O X |
$$ | . X . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O O |
$$ | X O X X O . O X O , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . O X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O O O X . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

lets raise the anti.