[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: 0, 0 Corrections: B=6 - 4 , W=4 - 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . X O X . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . X . . O X X O O O , X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . B . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White protecting that cut makes E15 seem less interesting. I'm taking this side point first. If white takes gote to connect, thats all the better for me.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:49 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I approve!
Eyes for us, another correction, and a cut threat.
Aphelion wrote:...White protecting that cut makes E15 seem less interesting...
But it still works. E15 followed by E18 looks unpleasant. Also, E15 folowed by a cut around D11/E11 leaves a large chunk in the center full of disconnected eyeless white stones.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . X O X . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . X . . W X X O O O , X . . | $$ | . X . . X . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X X W . W . . . . W X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . X O X . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . X . . O X X O O O , X . . | $$ | . X . . . C . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . 1 C . . . . . . X O O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 2 . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
... now the lower left corner is becoming one fourth of the board if we don't invade soon.
But instead, white almost forces us to play at E15. If we don't play something in the shaded area, the monkey jump at 'a' - perhaps preceded by some kakari or two - might kill us.
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . X O X . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . X . . O X X O O O , X . . | $$ | . X ? ? ? . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . ? ? ? . . . . . . X O O X X X . . | $$ | a ? ? ? ? . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . ? X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . W . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoners: 0, 0 Corrections: B=7 - 0 , W=4 - 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . X O X . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . X . . O X X O O O , X . . | $$ | . X . . B . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can't see any other acceptable way to live. White is trying to take my lunch money (specificaly pretending that his weaknesses don't exist), and I won't let him
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:16 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I approve.
As best I can tell, it does not threaten to kill the corner. But it does threaten to make the corner dependent on winning a ko ( we start with B19 ). The problem with that is two-fold: they have better ko threats, and if they win the ko, then their next move will be to capture our stone with A17, wrecking our eye. So it is future aji - if we get connected out, and if they build a structure in the lower left that is vulnerable to ko threats, then we can go after their corner.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:25 pm
by Aphelion
Bump - to you, Phelan
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:38 pm
by Phelan
Sorry, I've been a bit busy.
$$Wcm54 Prisoners: 0, 0 Corrections: B=7 - 1 , W=4 - 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . | $$ | . X O O . W . . . . X O X . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O . X . . O X X O O O , X . . | $$ | . X . . X . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm54 Black extends $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . X O X . . O O X . | $$ | . . X 3 O . X . . O X X O O O , X . . | $$ | . X . 1 B . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . X O O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Cutting from the other side seems to have the same problem. I'm now looking at living locally, but it also seems hard to do without strengthening black:
$$Wcm54 Life $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O . . . . 3 4 . . . O O . . . . X . | $$ | . X O O . 1 2 . . . X O X . . O O X . | $$ | . . X . O . X . . O X X O O O , X . . | $$ | . X . . B . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm54 Life $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O . . . . 3 4 . . . O O . . . . X . | $$ | . X O O . 1 2 . . . X O X . . O O X . | $$ | . . X . O . X . . O X X O O O , X . . | $$ | . X . . B . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't see anything better, however...
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:48 pm
by Aphelion
Phelan fluctuates from overplaying to being really passive quite a bit. If this gets approved(which I doubt), I am debating between G17 or just skipping the preliminaries and cut at E11 directly. I think there should be some sente moves I can make against his top group more to strengthen myself though (like G17).
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:01 am
by Aphelion
To make things clear, Phelan has made his move and we are waiting on approval from Daniel.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:27 am
by daniel_the_smith
oh sorry, I must have missed that. I'll respond soon.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:36 am
by daniel_the_smith
OK, by my count my last approval got me another correction, which I will now spend.
$$Wcm54 Prisoners: 0, 0 Corrections: B=7 - 1 , W=4 - 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . | $$ | . X O O . C . . . . X O X . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O W X . . O X X O O O , X . . | $$ | . X . . X . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm54 Prisoners: 0, 0 Corrections: B=7 - 1 , W=4 - 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . | $$ | . X O O . C . . . . X O X . . O O X . | $$ | . . X , O W X . . O X X O O O , X . . | $$ | . X . . X . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It should be clear why this is an improvement. My ultimate goal is to force black to spend a move to live in the upper left.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:57 pm
by Aphelion
Mmm..I don't think 5 moves has passed since the last correction. The count should be 7 corrections for Black and 3 for White if this is the move. Are you still going forward with this Daniel?
