$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X . O . . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . 3 X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X . O . . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . 3 X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
one wrong move by black will change the outcome of this game..
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:52 pm
by Kirby
$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X . O 4 . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X . O 4 . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Well, for the first time in a little while, things seem a little bit dangerous. I'll have to roll up my sleeves here.
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:00 pm
by Kirby
I don't really think I'm in trouble. I have these points as miai, after all:
$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . C . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X C O X . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . C . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X C O X . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It feels awkward to left white have the left one, but he should be dead, so it's no real problem.
Edit: I guess he has D17 if I ignore the left one, maybe... Hmm...
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:09 pm
by Kirby
Maybe I'll have to make this a capturing race by filling the ko at some point...
I should think about this a bit more carefully before just rushing into the sequence.
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:11 pm
by daniel_the_smith
That big dead white group in the middle only has one eye.
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:11 pm
by topazg
$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X . O X . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . W W X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X W . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X W W X W W W X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X W W X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X W X X X . W X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X W W . W , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X W W W . W . W X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X W . . C . . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . W W . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . W W X W . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . W X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X . O X . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . W W X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X W . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X W W X W W W X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X W W X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X W X X X . W X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X W W . W , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X W W W . W . W X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X W . . C . . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . W W . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . W W X W . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . W X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Considering the circled point seems to kill all the marked White stones, I don't think White living in gote in the top left should be too concerning for Black?
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:15 pm
by Kirby
You guys must read much faster than me.
I am still calculating.
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:39 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Oh, wait, if white goes first I guess there's still a ko to live in the middle. And white has local threats.
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:48 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Kirby wrote:You guys must read much faster than me.
I am still calculating.
Kibitzers get an automatic +5 to reading, and it stacks with the ego bonus for being a dan player...
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:40 am
by topazg
daniel_the_smith wrote:
Oh, wait, if white goes first I guess there's still a ko to live in the middle. And white has local threats.
A ko? Isn't this just alive?
$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X . O X . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O b O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . a . 1 2 X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O 3 X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X . O X . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O b O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . a . 1 2 X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O 3 X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"a" and "b" are miai?
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:23 am
by Magicwand
$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X 5 O X . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X 5 O X . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i did some counting...if i lose any group then i will not be able to win. i must make sure all my group are alive.. therefore only one way to play this...
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:31 am
by tj86430
I think it really takes a magic wand to make all white groups alive
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:47 am
by daniel_the_smith
@topazg
You're right. I guess I still failed my roll.
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:51 am
by ez4u
Obs:
I think that MW can not win, so he has to patiently wait and see if Kirby will lose!
I think that if Kirby plays below, he captures the two stones cleanly and makes his center stones safe. Then "a" and "b" are miai to kill something.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . b . . . . . 1 . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X O O X . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . a . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . b . . . . . 1 . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X O O X . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . a . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:38 am
by Kirby
$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . 6 . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X O O X . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . 6 . . . O . O . . | $$ | X . . . X O O X . X O . X O . O X . . | $$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . | $$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . | $$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . | $$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . | $$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . | $$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . | $$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
As I said earlier, it looks like miai. If he tries something tricky in the corner, maybe I can ignore it.
below, he captures the two stones cleanly and makes his center stones safe. Then "a" and "b" are miai to kill something.