98. Araban vs. Magicwand

crux · Post by **crux** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:42 am

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:51 am

crux wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:...which goes nowhere for white like this:

$$Wc
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X . X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . 3 2 X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X 1 6 . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 7 5 8 . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------

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[go]$$Wc $$ | . . . O . . . O X X . X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . 3 2 X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X 1 6 . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 7 5 8 . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Throw-in?

Post by **Solomon** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:56 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X 3 X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:00 am

Araban wrote:
$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X 3 X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X 3 X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If anyone has any questions about this move, let me know...lol.

@Araban:

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:02 am

To observers:

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:29 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O 4 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:55 am

for obs only:

he can not answer my :w2:

because he will die..

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X 2 O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 0 . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O 9 8 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 4 5 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . 7 6 . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i didnt do much reading on this..but probably same story as above.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X 2 O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

square jump is not much better.. and his other group will suffer.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 4 . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . a 0 8 6 . . X 3 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . 9 7 X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i am not saying that i will play above sequences. i am just brain stroming on possible variations.
i will do more detailed reading after his move. this is how i read and play.
that is why i can not understand Topazg for drawing every possible variation on next move..

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:37 pm

for obs only:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 9 8 6 4 . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O B . 7 5 X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . W . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

his exchange was nothing complicated.. just to make sure he disconnect my group.
was it worth aji-keshi? IMO NO!.

after below exchange he will be attacked and lose points and might die.
that exchange, by looking at the shape, can not be good.
sometimes shape doesnt really matter if it accomplish your goal but this wasnt the case.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X 4 X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 1 . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 2 . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:44 pm

D7 is one of those moves I look at and think to myself, Yeah... Solch is definitely stronger than I am. It's a very sharp play, and it's one of the things that makes it scary to play against him too.

And to Joaz:

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Post by **Solomon** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:52 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 5 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:12 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:04 am

for obs:

below is the moves that i think is a mistake.
some i didnt discuss some i already did.
my opponent made 10 moves i would never play. (which means that is wrong move)
every move white made i like.
i am thinking i am stronger than he is.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X B O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . B . B . . . . . . | $$ | . . O B . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O X X X B . O B O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . B O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O B . X . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

there are local reading and global reading.
locally my opponent's reading is probably close to equal to mine.
globally i feel that his reading is little subpar.

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:18 am

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:33 am

@Magicwand:

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:08 am

Kirby wrote:@Magicwand:
Your comment about global vs. local reading is interesting to me. I have always heard that, to get better at reading, you can do go problems.

Well, presumably both you and Araban have done go problems and have developed your reading skills.

What makes a person better at global reading, then? If you both practiced your reading ability, what makes one better globally?

i will say it is out of the experience.
although he has same rank as me and beat me before i noticed that he lack the experience.
last game i gave him too much credit and didnt play my game. this game i am playing to win.

he had a chance to go ahead at below diag.
but he let his guard down and gave me sente.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . | $$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . | $$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i was down points but i played a move that will payoff later.
although i could have saved the corner i can not win with that.
it is my best example of global reading.

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after this game i am really curious to know what my opponent think his mistake was.

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98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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