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115 - robinz v. 1986

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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:50 pm
by EdLee
1986 (after the game),
Redundant wrote:the rarely seen death in double gote.
Yes, W passed twice (died in gote) with :w46: and now :w50:. Work on your basic Life and Death. :)

Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:59 pm
by Aphelion
Redundant wrote:
... the rarely seen death in double gote.


Interestingly, its both death in double gote and double death in gote.

Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:02 pm
by lightvector
For observers now, and for the players AFTER the game:

I don't think this is gote for white. I think Black must defend. Otherwise, :w1: threatens to make a live eyespace, and if black prevents it with :b2:...

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[go]$$W
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . X O 2 |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O W |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$W
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 9 . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . 0 8 5 . 2 . X O X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . 7 4 3 X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O 6 X 1 X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$W
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O 3 . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 2 O . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . 1 X X O . X . X O X |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . O X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O X X O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


...white can kill part of black's encircling wall and escape.

Now, since it is black's turn, black can defend and eliminate all his problems. One way might be with :b1:, so that white can't push at ''a'' any more.

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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X a X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O W |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X b |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X c . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O d . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


It also lets black directly block a white push at ''b'', which maybe could become relevant if white gets things like ''c'' and ''d'' in the endgame, and black starts to become worried about his eyespace in the lower right. Black might also just capture in the center, which seems simple and good too.

Anyways, if one is preparing to resign, I can see this sort of move as a last-ditch effort to be "tricky" and hope the opponent doesn't see the threat. Although I would feel bad to win a lost game this way. And that's assuming you've actually read out such a sequence. If you're just playing blind, that's not good either.

And in general, it's bad to keep playing with your dead group. As Aphelion said:

Aphelion wrote:1986:
Ko threats are only part of the equation. Even without a ko on the board, the moves you have just played are aji. If something changes on the board later, they can work. You are behind, so you need to conserve as much aji as possible, and later on you can make huge comebacks with that kind of aji. However, if you play them now they will never work, and you are just making life easier for White as you take away all his pressing worries. If I were white, I would say "thank you" everytime Black makes a move like that.


To players:

If a group is dead, the proper way is to STOP PLAYING there the moment you realize this. Maybe the surrounding situation will change and suddenly allow you to revive the group. Or if not, maybe the threats of doing so will let you make a few more points and force the opponent to play a little more passively in the endgame. Also, it puts a bit more strain on the opponent to have to keep an eye out for tricky sequences as the game continues and the positions keep changing around it. If you go ahead and play it out, you simplify the position and make it obvious and easy the the opponent thereafter.

One example of the lingering aji is if white actually does get the below moves later in the endgame.

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[go]$$W
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . 2 . X O 4 |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O 3 |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X a |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . W . X . 5 . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X b . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Then :w1: threatens the center, and if black defends with :b2:, white follows up with :w3:, threatening life, and if black prevents it with :b4:, he suddenly has to be worried about tricky moves such as :w5:, which removes the eyespace of black's lower right group and threaten ''a'' and ''b'' as miai for connection.

That's how you use a dead group. You stop playing and wait for the surrounding position to change as the game goes on, and suddenly you might have new chances.

Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:49 am
by robinz
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoner Count :w4:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . 1 . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


@EdLee: yes, you're right, and it was all my fault - I was forgetting to increment the move number on my moves :oops: 1986 at least seems to have been correcting it, so now I've woken up it should be OK now :)

Wow, this is a lot more complicated that I thought at first. White definitely can't get two eyes, but I think he can, if I tenuki, cut off some of my surrounding stones, and kill them first. Example:

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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoner Count :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . 5 . X O 3 |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . 6 X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X 4 X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O 2 . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X . |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

which is pretty much a one-way street from my point of view.

I have a variety of moves to try to avoid these, although some tricky points seem to still remain. This capture seems to remove most aji (it might even give my group a second eye to go with the one I can always claim at R14), and it's also a reasonable-sized move in its own right.

Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:26 am
by 1986
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm152 Prisoner Count :w3:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X 1 |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I'm pretty sure this is the right move right now, Just keep pushing him until its over,
these stones are dead, i read it out,
but I'm still trying to get something out of them, something!

Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:42 am
by robinz
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm153 Prisoner Count :w4:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


1986, don't rob me of my newly taken prisoner :lol:

It's probably not quite true to say that this is the only move, but it's certainly the one that is simple and clean and avoids future complications. My lower-right group is getting a little constricted, but still has space for two eyes. I'm still not really sure why 1986 is playing this out - does he really think he has a chance to live? I think the game is close, despite me having gained quite a few points over recent moves, so why not make moves in unfinished parts of the board rather than waste ko threats over here?

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:30 am
by EdLee
Unhidden after :black:191:
Indeed, robinz's :bc: 151 capture was better than :black:(a) throw-in,
but :black: 153 should be at :b1::
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$--------------+
$$ . . . . . . . |
$$ X X X . . . . |
$$ O O O O O O . |
$$ O X X X X O . |
$$ X O . . X X X |
$$ O . O X O O . |
$$ . . . X X X O |
$$ . . B . X O . |
$$ . X . X O O . |
$$ X . X X X O . |
$$ X O O O X O . |
$$ O X X O O a . |
$$ . O X O X O O |
$$ . O X X X X W |
$$ O X . . . . . |
$$ . . . X . 1 . |
$$ . O . . X . . |
$$ . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . |
$$----------------[/go]

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:38 am
by EdLee
1986, Unhidden after :black:191,
1986 wrote:I'm pretty sure this is the right move right now
Re: :white:152 = another aji keshi move to help B. :evil:

Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:24 am
by Aphelion
1986:
The more you play at that dead group the less you will get out of them.

Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:18 am
by 1986
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm154 Prisoner Count :w4:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X 1 . . X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Robinz: My bad buddy i fixed the prisoner count

lets caputure this one stone, and go from there, 
i dont think this is sente so its on him now ...
*the anticipation is killing me*

Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:22 pm
by robinz
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm155 Prisoner Count :w4:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X O 1 . X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I thought me might get that move in at some point - it's been there for most of the game. But I get to block in sente - if he captures, I'll probably finally play R2, to make my corner group absolutely 100% alive, and also, of course because it's fairly big (and sort-of sente). I don't really expect 1986 to play the obvious reply, though, on recent evidence :D

Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:54 pm
by 1986
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm156 Pirsoner Count :w4:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X O X . X 1 |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


lets keep on pushing on this bottom corner, 
he's running short on liberties, and eye space

Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:01 pm
by robinz
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm157 Pirsoner Count :w4:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . 1 . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


OK, that's a slightly strange order of moves, but no harm done. I honestly didn't even have to think about this move - I'm just being consistent with my previous play and making my group secure while making sure his can't get any additional eyespace.

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:03 pm
by EdLee
Unhidden after :black:191:
robinz wrote:I honestly didn't even have to think about this move
:batman:
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[go]$$B
$$. X . X X X O . |
$$. X O O O X O . |
$$O O X X O O . . |
$$. . O X O X O O |
$$. . O X X X X O |
$$. O X O X . X W |
$$. . . . X . . . |
$$. . O . . X . . |
$$. . . . O 1 . . |
$$. . . . . . . . |
$$-----------------[/go]

Re: 115 - robinz v. 1986

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:59 pm
by 1986
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm158 Prisoner Count :w4:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O X . X X O O O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X X O O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O X X O . . X X X |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . O . . O . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . O X O O O O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , O . X . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O O X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . X X X X . X . . . O X O X O O |
$$ | . O O . X O O X O . . . . O X X X X O |
$$ | X X O X . . . O X X . . O X O X . X O |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | X X X O X O . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]



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