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122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:53 am
by Kirby
daniel_the_smith wrote:
Kirby wrote:You guys must read much faster than me. :-)

I am still calculating.


Kibitzers get an automatic +5 to reading, and it stacks with the ego bonus for being a dan player...


Could be. I was always under the impression that kibitz reading was not as good as in game reading (eg. kibitzers don't have to consider everything, and can just go off of intuition), but it could just be me.

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:45 am
by Magicwand
12j take ko

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:16 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 4 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X O O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O C O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X 7 X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . 8 . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Game over?

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:39 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 4 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . 9 X . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X O O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



maybe i can win this :)

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:06 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 4 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . 0 O X . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X O O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Either I have completely overlooked something, or he is very persistent.

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:17 am
by Magicwand
i resign
very strong game by kirby.
sorry for playing so poorly.
i will try to discuss after reading hidden.

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:19 am
by Chew Terr
Thank you both for sharing the game!

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:20 am
by Kirby
Thanks for playing, Magicwand. I really enjoy the opportunity to play you.

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:22 am
by Magicwand
i am not sure if below works but...i should have played as below.
then i would have better chance..
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . 6 5 . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O 4 9 X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O 8 7 O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:51 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm111 white: 2 black: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O . . X . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . . X 3 . , C . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O . . . O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


as kirby stated.. i should have played there..
but...i wasnt sure if it works..
that is one move i regret most.

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:53 am
by Kirby
I suppose in this situation, black should play here:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O 4 . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


since white still has the shortage of liberties issue in the marked spot.

However, I think White may then be inclined to threaten as in the game:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O 0 9 O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X 7 X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . 8 . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm151 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O X 2 X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X 1 X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O X O O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O C O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So maybe black cannot try to kill, above, if white takes the ko. Instead, probably I would do this:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . 8 . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X C O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X 7 X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . 9 . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white plays the last move in the sequence, above, then I'd maybe play at the marked spot to try to ensure that the rest dies.

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:19 pm
by Magicwand
what if i play 147 as below?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . 5 6 7 . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O 4 . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:20 pm
by Kirby
Magicwand wrote:what if i play 147 as below?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . 5 6 7 . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O 4 . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Then maybe I'd lose. Haha.

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:23 pm
by Kirby
I wonder if I should play this, then:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . W . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X 6 X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:32 pm
by Magicwand
yea.. it might fool ddk but you are too strong :)
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