I don't think that's big enough, particularly as I don't think it kills. White could play to make a nice new ko:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X 8 C 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . 5 4 . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . 6 7 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X 8 C 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . 5 4 . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . 6 7 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But, more likely, White will just live:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X 5 6 . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X 7 . X 4 8 . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O 9 . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . 0 . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X 5 6 . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X 7 . X 4 8 . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O 9 . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . 0 . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X 6 . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X 7 . X 4 . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O 5 . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . 8 . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X 6 . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X 7 . X 4 . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O 5 . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . 8 . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
... So instead he can force Black to protect the corner and keep sente:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X 4 . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O 9 8 C 6 | $$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . 5 . | $$ | . 7 O 0 . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X 4 . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O 9 8 C 6 | $$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . 5 . | $$ | . 7 O 0 . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:11 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | 1 O . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X 3 . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X 2 X | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | 1 O . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X 3 . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X 2 X | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I answer at 1; if you retake ko at 2, I play 3.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:44 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | 1 O . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X 3 . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X 2 C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 4 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | 1 O . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X 3 . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X 2 C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 4 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:45 pm
by topazg
@magicwand:
I'm curious, why did you feel the need to protect Joaz' last ko threat - does this not work fine:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X 4 . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X 4 . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It seemed like this is a loss of only a few points for a bigger gain - are you hoping to just win the ko with no loss at all?
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:47 pm
by Uberdude
@topazg
3 is not the followup, how about where MW played instead?
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:48 pm
by Magicwand
topazg wrote:@magicwand:
I'm curious, why did you feel the need to protect Joaz' last ko threat - does this not work fine:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X 4 . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X 4 . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . . . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . 1 3 O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It seemed like this is a loss of only a few points for a bigger gain - are you hoping to just win the ko with no loss at all?
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . 3 . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . 1 . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . 3 . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . 1 . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O C | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X 2 | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:50 pm
by topazg
Uberdude wrote:@topazg
3 is not the followup, how about where MW played instead?
Ah, the problems of only reading one move option, not that that's a failing of mine or anything
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:39 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X B . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X B . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
By my count, I had to win that ko to win in yose. If he can take it and not pay for having done so, I'm doomed.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:10 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . W . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O C O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . W . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O C O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:12 pm
by Uberdude
White lost some yose on the left with his ko threats: a16 was a 2 points double sente. It probably should be black's privilege, but in a handicap game white's .
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:03 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . B X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . B X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I've had a long day, so I may be missing something, but..
If I understand what is going on, MW was looking at this, in which he merely transfers the ko:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O 3 4 X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X 1 2 5 . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O 3 4 X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X 1 2 5 . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...and then realized that I can play 5 like this:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . 5 X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X . 3 4 X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X 1 2 . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . . 5 X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O X O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X . 3 4 X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X 1 2 . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Maybe he has been taking painkillers for his finger.
I thought that he would have done better to answer my threat by taking N15. He still had several good threats himself at M1 and A14.
Or it could be that I am missing something. But, regardless, I have to play P14.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:31 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . W . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 5 black: 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O X X . . . . O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . X X X O X O . O X . . O . X X O . . | $$ | X O . X O . . O . O O O . O O O X . . | $$ | . X O X O X . . O X O X O . X X . . . | $$ | . . X O O O O . . X X X X . . . X . . | $$ | . X . X . X . . . X O O O O . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X O X O . O . X . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . X . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . O | $$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X O | $$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . W . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:36 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Does anyone have an accurate prisoner count? Thanks.
After a few mistakes on both sides, this is very close. My count of the board says that I am ahead by 3 points. But he has a 2 or 3 point lead in prisoners.
i guess my opponent is in counting mode.. i also counted and it was closer than i thought. but i think i still have advantage. (at least that is what i like to believe.) few moves later we will know who win this game for sure...
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