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??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:00 pm
by daniel_the_smith
OK now I can resign. Thanks for the game.

I think I need a break before we play again at 4 stones. :cry:

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:34 pm
by daniel_the_smith
k43r wrote:
Last two diagrams shows that Daniel the smith needs to learn basics of tewari.


Lol, awesome, I don't know how I failed to notice that...

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:39 pm
by Magicwand
thank your for the game.
i will be away on month of OCT will be back in beginning of NOV.

we will start the game when i return from the mission.

edit: after reviewing the games and comments...
wow..i pulled off an upset. solid play from DS for the most part.
he lost one stone on the bottom, one stone one the left and finally he lost more than 2 stone at the end.

i dont think i am qualified to be 4d in KGS.
i have seen too many mistakes on my reading.
i think i won not because i am strong but because of my experience.
as i said before i spent 20 years of my life playing against weaker players for money 7 days / week.
i had to give them enough handycap to play them.
it gave me a playing style that is sticky and resilent. very hard for a weaker player to play against.

this game was for the learning purpose but since i played so badly i guess it is more like an exbition purpose.
i hope people can salvage some learning from this game if any.

Daniel: you dont have to play me 4 stone if you dont want.
next time i think 2 stone is plenty handycap for you.
also, i think you will learn more my playing 2 stone handycap in my opinion.

observers: as you already know i was losing this game beginning to end and never lead until he missed killing my group. please excuse false comments about me winning this game. those comments were to motivate myself on taugh game.

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:14 am
by Harleqin
Can White really live here?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:06 am
by Magicwand
Harleqin wrote:Can White really live here?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i am not sure but assuming 1 & 2 exchange...i think it was a good possiblity.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . O X O . . . X . O . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X 1 . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:05 am
by Harleqin
With "really" I meant some analysis, not handwaving.

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:04 am
by Magicwand
Harleqin wrote:With "really" I meant some analysis, not handwaving.

even professionals (korean) use the terms not easy to kill and not easy to live because they can not read everything.
i think it is too complicated to say what the status of the group is but i know that it has many aji for white to live. if i had to bet on it's status i will bet on living.

do you read everything before making your move? i am sure you rely on your intuation also.

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:38 am
by Harleqin
Can we have a real discussion now? Does anyone see where Black might have made a mistake?

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:53 am
by hyperpape
For what it's worth, several kibbitzers thought Black made a mistake when white was able to push him down to the first line and make a throw-in. No time for me to look right now.

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:18 am
by daniel_the_smith
I'd sure like to see it if someone can point out a black mistake...

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:23 am
by Magicwand
one obvious mistake is that you didnt kill me at the end.
some other mistakes were commented by views.
i will take a look at the game more carefully and let you know tomorrow.

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:35 am
by daniel_the_smith
I meant in attempting to kill at the end, but I'm interested in any mistake in the game, too.

Obviously one big mistake was not realizing you could cut off my stones at the bottom.

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:42 am
by daniel_the_smith
Magicwand wrote:thank your for the game.
i will be away on month of OCT will be back in beginning of NOV.

we will start the game when i return from the mission.

edit: after reviewing the games and comments...
wow..i pulled off an upset. solid play from DS for the most part.
he lost one stone on the bottom, one stone one the left and finally he lost more than 2 stone at the end.

i dont think i am qualified to be 4d in KGS.
i have seen too many mistakes on my reading.
i think i won not because i am strong but because of my experience.
as i said before i spent 20 years of my life playing against weaker players for money 7 days / week.
i had to give them enough handycap to play them.
it gave me a playing style that is sticky and resilent. very hard for a weaker player to play against.

this game was for the learning purpose but since i played so badly i guess it is more like an exbition purpose.
i hope people can salvage some learning from this game if any.

Daniel: you dont have to play me 4 stone if you dont want.
next time i think 2 stone is plenty handycap for you.
also, i think you will learn more my playing 2 stone handycap in my opinion.

observers: as you already know i was losing this game beginning to end and never lead until he missed killing my group. please excuse false comments about me winning this game. those comments were to motivate myself on taugh game.


Just saw the edit. I think I make more reading mistakes in realtime games than I did in this one, I'm definitely not 2d KGS (I can beat 1 dans there but not often enough to get above 1k). I think I will lose at 2 stones but that won't keep me from trying! Thanks again
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