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56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:59 am
by Dusk Eagle
Edit: No longer relevant.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:23 pm
by zinger
Agree .. personally I rearrange the hide tags so that the quote is also hidden.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:15 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=9
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . 2 O X 3 X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . 1 O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:57 pm
by Harleqin
Either they are blind, or they see something we do not.

(Edit: Heh, Joaz has discovered it. Good work!)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 6 7 . . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 5 1 X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | 3 X O 2 O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm8
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X 2 . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 1 . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O 3 X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 4 . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O O O 5 X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O X O O O 6 O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O 7 8 X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . 9 0 X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I suspect it is the former. So, will they go on, and when we come to the 6-point endgame stage, Violence suddenly proclaim "Oh, hey, that is funny..."?

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:04 pm
by daniel_the_smith
@Harlequin

Doesn't :b10: @ :w11: give black a ko?

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:02 pm
by Violence
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=9
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . W . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Reading.... I think.... I'm ok...

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:05 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . W . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X B . . . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:12 pm
by Violence
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O W . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is the only move... he still has a lot of aji.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:57 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X B . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
sofar he has gained nothing after my assessement. infact he lost some points and i still have potental to get 10 points in the middle. i have no idea why he would stop that ko fight and play useless moves. maybe he is thinking that he is winning. he will feel sorry when he findout that he is actually losing by few points.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:39 pm
by Violence
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X . W O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm pretty confident that I'm ahead. He made life, so I got to reduce all his center potential. I think he'll resign.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:50 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Observers:

By my count, white is like one or two points ahead (my margin of error at this stage in the game: +/- 5, maybe 10). Way too close to tell; I don't think their counting is that much better than mine (it sounds like Violence hasn't even counted at all): I don't understand how each of them thinks the other will resign.

I also haven't understood most of Violence's moves for the entire game, but they must not have been too much worse than Magicwand's as the game is super close.


@Violence:

Why did you stop fighting the ko, can you explain what just happened? Some commentators thought

EDIT: I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter anymore as you directly said you thought black was alive now, but hidden just in case:

you could have killed the black group?

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:27 pm
by calm
daniel_the_smith wrote:Is this as a comment to Violence premature?

@Violence:

Why did you stop fighting the ko, can you explain what just happened? Some commentators thought you rest cut?

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:05 pm
by calm
daniel_the_smith wrote:Observers:

I don't understand how each of them thinks the other will resign.

I also haven't understood most of Violence's moves for the entire game, but they must not have been too much worse than Magicwand's as the game is super close.




I have to say I find the constant predictions of resignation as well as other posturing unseemly.
For all we know, the winning/losing move has not yet been played. These predictions make the players look stupid ( because they risk making these comments in a losing game ) and arrogant.

Instead of posturing the players should be making comments reflecting the thoughts that are going into making the move. That's what these games ( at least as I understand them ) are for.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:19 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X B O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:46 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
My prediction for next move:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . W . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My prediction for next comment:
Something bombastic. :D
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