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3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:07 pm
by Phelan
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[go]$$Wcm146 Move 146 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O 1 . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
These cuts seem interesting, but I'm glad this is an automatic move, sice I can't read them that well.

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:19 pm
by Violence
... what do I even do here...
I'll move later.

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:15 am
by Violence
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[go]$$Bcm147 Move 147 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . X 1 . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can't believe Jordus played that atari... I can't find anything now. Resignation is soon.

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:21 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm147 Move 147 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X W . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:07 am
by daniel_the_smith
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[go]$$Bcm149 Move 149 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X O B . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Seems to be the only move. Atari on the other side could lead to a ko or a result not much different than this, white's choice. So there doesn't seem to be an advantage, as the ko wouldn't help us that much, and if it did, white wouldn't allow it.

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:10 am
by Magicwand
i am not playing this game to find a best moves and sequence.
my main focus in this game is to give my weakest link the obvious moves only.
but that is even harder than finding best move :(

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:27 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Wcm150 Move 150 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O 1 . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Maximising our chance of connecting to H9

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:34 am
by Magicwand
below is the correct answer to black's atari. :(
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[go]$$Wcm150 Move 150 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . 1 X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:44 am
by topazg
Am I allowed to ask, was your comment about comparing the extension to the capture? If so, would you have done the other?

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:48 am
by Magicwand
to topazg: yes it was.
and you probably can guess what i said in my hidden.

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:17 am
by topazg
My instinct was to capture, but I didn't like this. I spent a good while thinking about the actual values of reading out - Even if White connects, Black fixes by removing the aji of the two stones anyway, and it felt like connecting to H9 in gote as below was too slow, and Black is better off than after the capture. As we cannot go back to the atari, I figure it's safe now to discuss the likely continuation instead - fight the ko perhaps?
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[go]$$Wcm150 Move 150 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . 1 X 4 . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O 3 O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O 2 6 . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X 7 5 . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Stuff I also looked at and dismissed:
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[go]$$Wcm150 Move 150 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X 5 . . 7 O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . 1 X 3 . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O 4 6 X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O 2 . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
EDIT: Maybe this is what's annoying about this one?
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[go]$$Wcm150 Move 150 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O 2 . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X 3 X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O 1 . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
That's an annoying move for Black to have in sente ..?

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:36 am
by Magicwand
i can understand your thought but ... but i wouldnt connect 52 your first diag.
black can not fight ko because white has too much ko threat.

i my opinion...it is pretty much same but might be very different ending.
i approve! but i am thinking capturing would be better.

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:43 am
by topazg
Magicwand wrote:i can understand your thought but ... but i wouldnt connect 52 your first diag.
black can not fight ko because white has too much ko threat.

i my opinion...it is pretty much same but might be very different ending.
i approve! but i am thinking capturing would be better.
Fair enough, there are too many alive / dead groups hanging around everywhere I gave up counting ko threats. I figured we're winning ( :o ) and therefore can afford to play safely like this ;)

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:09 am
by daniel_the_smith
topazg wrote:I figured we're winning ( :o ) and therefore can afford to play safely like this ;)
Yeah, thanks to my bone-headed 143... :-?

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:12 pm
by Jordus
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[go]$$Bcm151 Move 151 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . 1 . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I feel the urge to reach out and just do something crazy and try to make up for our loss.... But it wouldn't do any good if I don't try to protect what we already have either. What to do... What to do... *sigh*
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