98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Post by Magicwand »

for obs:
i didnt explain a and b weakness before ...and i have some time.
basically he can not cut because of below weakness.
i only showed one variation but every other variation doesnt work. you can varify yourself.
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[go]$$Wcm96 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . 3 X X a O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X 1 5 6 . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 4 7 8 O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 0 . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1 :b6: = :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X X 5 O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X O O X 1 O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 . X X 3 X O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 4 X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 7 . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
my prediction: one out of two group will die.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X 9 X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Can't give him this stone; want to keep aji on his lower group for as long as I can.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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for obs only:
i just realized what black is going after.
if he didnt discuss it already..
i felt something funny when he answered my 2 prior move too easily.
and looked at it again and i think i figured it out.
but as you can see i dont have any worry.
and also now he should worry about his life before mine.
and also if i hanne in sente before his move that sequence will not work anyway..
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . 1 2 O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . 3 O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X 1 . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

His last move is a bit more painful than what I had envisioned. I'm just going to try and live here, giving White as little as I can. I've considered trying to move out, but it looks too dangerous because of his top side and also my other group is still not fully alive. It's almost humorous how greedy I was for keeping what was once two stones at the lower half of the board.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Post by Puppycakes »

@magicwand:

I think that you outplayed Araban this time, but I feel like you've drawn too many conclusions from that victory about how you are superior. Of course, I remember games with you and violence in which you were both being very brash. But I think that outplaying somebody doesn't mean that you understand go better than somebody else. Of course, you are both way stronger than me.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Puppycakes wrote:@magicwand:

I think that you outplayed Araban this time, but I feel like you've drawn too many conclusions from that victory about how you are superior. Of course, I remember games with you and violence in which you were both being very brash. But I think that outplaying somebody doesn't mean that you understand go better than somebody else. Of course, you are both way stronger than me.

i will play Araban another game to prove the result will be same.
i usually dont play my game and play casual but if i play my game i am hard to beat.
i have been playing go for money many years. if i play them one game then i can assess their strength very accurately.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X 3 X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As much as I want to play H12, it sacrifices too much eyespace to move out into an area that's W's vicinity anyways. Gotta live.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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AAAAHHH! That move is so painful to make! To be honest, I don't even see how black can live locally. But even if he can somehow live in gote, surely it's game over after something like this:
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X 3 X 6 O . . 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X . X 5 O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . 7 X O O . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X X X X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O O O X . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Either black is planning something really nifty against white's bottom left group, or he just got owned...
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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@Gaius:

I was thinking just the same thing. My respect for magicwand continues to grow, he's downright dangerous in a complicated game.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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What an exciting game!

@ Araban:
It seems that you are under a lot of pressure now with two unsettled groups. On the other hand, your comments suggest that you are still very calm. Is this because you are assessing the situation differently or is it because you are generally staying calm even when under pressure? (I think losing one's calm is one of the fundamental mistakes that should be avoided as much as possible.)
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Post by Magicwand »

i will play my next move after my breakfast.

i think i can kill.
i will read more and make the move. critical point of the game.
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Post by Solomon »

SpongeBob wrote:What an exciting game!

@ Araban:
It seems that you are under a lot of pressure now with two unsettled groups. On the other hand, your comments suggest that you are still very calm. Is this because you are assessing the situation differently or is it because you are generally staying calm even when under pressure? (I think losing one's calm is one of the fundamental mistakes that should be avoided as much as possible.)

I'd like to think that I'm just staying calm. Certainly I don't think I'm assessing the situation differently, I realize it's not good and that I need to play catch up. One of the reasons I've been keeping my comments brief at this stage in the game is that writing a lengthy post detailing a pessimistic scenario and analyzing variations after variations that do not work will just decrease my confidence level.

I also think my activity with SC2's affected me in this regard. Before I got involved with SC2, I would get extremely agitated in these kind of situations when I play online. Now, I tend to be rather carefree and my adrenaline level, even in the craziest of fights, seems to stay low. I don't get the sweaty palms or the high heart rate I used to when I play against KGS 5d+s, and I don't think it's because I improved haha. It's strange, but when you play a game that feels like Go/chess at 10,000 mph, Go just seems so much more relaxing to me now.
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