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3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:22 am
by Jordus
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[go]$$Bcm155 Move 155 Prisoners White 2 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is where joseki knowledge would come in handy.... as you can gather i lack that knowledge...
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[go]$$Wcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . X 1 . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . b O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I want to play a, but my gut says to play b.... so i will play b....

The sequence I see is this:
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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . 9 . y . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 2 5 8 a . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . X O 0 X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . z 1 O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . 6 3 4 X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
11 is played at a. white plays 12 at y or z, black responds with the one white doesn't choose. Black lives.

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:51 am
by Phelan
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[go]$$Wcm156 Move 156 Prisoners White 2 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think black's shape has problems, but I'm not sure if just going with the usual sequence is good enough. This looks like a L+1 shape, which is good for us, if I remember correctly.

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:47 am
by Violence
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[go]$$Bcm157 Move 157 Prisoners White 2 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X 1 X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is getting really frustrating... we're getting killed in that corner!? Ugh...

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:51 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm157 Move 157 Prisoners White 2 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . . X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . . W X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
ok..now the corner is prettymuch dead.. and we are up for sure..in sente. we have time to go save uppper rt corner also ;)

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:06 am
by daniel_the_smith
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[go]$$Bcm159 Move 159 Prisoners White 2 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . B X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
That's big enough that I don't think I can ignore it.

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:40 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let's make absolutely sure of that corner, in sente. I really wanted to save that top right instead, and I hope Phelan sees it, but I think this is a more honest move order as that's gote:
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[go]$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . X O 8 4 O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X 5 |
$$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X 3 6 9 |
$$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X 7 |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X a . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"a" obviously still looks nice too...

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:32 pm
by topazg
I'm going to have to bail out of this game for a while, I've just had a pretty major family life crisis and want to clear my plate out for a while :(

Sorry guys, hope you can pick up a suitable replacement!

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:16 am
by Magicwand
i am thinking black resigning is better solution than finding replacement.
lets post our opinion so we can agree on this.

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:22 am
by daniel_the_smith
Black probably can resign. But hey, aren't you on white?!?!! :evil:

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:24 am
by Chew Terr
daniel_the_smith wrote:Black probably can resign. But hey, aren't you on white?!?!! :evil:
Meta-suji. But perhaps it is a reasonable one. =D

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:44 am
by daniel_the_smith
topazg wrote:I'm going to have to bail out of this game for a while, I've just had a pretty major family life crisis and want to clear my plate out for a while :(

Sorry guys, hope you can pick up a suitable replacement!
Last night I meant to say best wishes/hope it works out/etc but couldn't decide which was appropriate and ended up saying nothing... Anyway, I hope everything works out ok... :/

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:18 am
by Violence
Black's around 10-15 points behind. I was hoping we would've been able to live in the corner or something, but that's not happening, apparently.

I'm cool with res.

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:25 am
by daniel_the_smith
I think I get the "honor" of having made the losing move... http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... 469#p21469

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:35 am
by Kirby
topazg wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let's make absolutely sure of that corner, in sente. I really wanted to save that top right instead, and I hope Phelan sees it, but I think this is a more honest move order as that's gote:
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[go]$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . X O 8 4 O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X 5 |
$$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X 3 6 9 |
$$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X 7 |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X a . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"a" obviously still looks nice too...
I think 68 is not necessary in the explanation, so white may get sente with the given sequence.

However, black may choose to capture at 65 and ignore a white atari on the two stones, so maybe the main point is still valid.

Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:43 pm
by schultz
Kirby wrote:
topazg wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let's make absolutely sure of that corner, in sente. I really wanted to save that top right instead, and I hope Phelan sees it, but I think this is a more honest move order as that's gote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . X O 8 4 O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X 5 |
$$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X 3 6 9 |
$$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X 7 |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X a . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"a" obviously still looks nice too...
I think 68 is not necessary in the explanation, so white may get sente with the given sequence.

However, black may choose to capture at 65 and ignore a white atari on the two stones, so maybe the main point is still valid.
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[go]$$Wcm168 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X . a X X O |
$$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X O X W |
$$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X O |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
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Black has to connect at 69 to save four stones, right? Or am I missing some thing else big?

Either way, great game guys. It was a lot of fun to watch. The comments were both insightful (at times), and hilarious at others. Some times both at the same time. ;)

I look forward to another one of these, or maybe even participating in one myself some time in the future.
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