$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let's make absolutely sure of that corner, in sente. I really wanted to save that top right instead, and I hope Phelan sees it, but I think this is a more honest move order as that's gote:
$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . X O 8 4 O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X 5 | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X 3 6 9 | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X 7 | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X a . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . X O 8 4 O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X 5 | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X 3 6 9 | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X 7 | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X a . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"a" obviously still looks nice too...
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:32 pm
by topazg
I'm going to have to bail out of this game for a while, I've just had a pretty major family life crisis and want to clear my plate out for a while
Sorry guys, hope you can pick up a suitable replacement!
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:16 am
by Magicwand
i am thinking black resigning is better solution than finding replacement. lets post our opinion so we can agree on this.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:22 am
by daniel_the_smith
Black probably can resign. But hey, aren't you on white?!?!!
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:24 am
by Chew Terr
daniel_the_smith wrote:Black probably can resign. But hey, aren't you on white?!?!!
Meta-suji. But perhaps it is a reasonable one. =D
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:44 am
by daniel_the_smith
topazg wrote:I'm going to have to bail out of this game for a while, I've just had a pretty major family life crisis and want to clear my plate out for a while
Sorry guys, hope you can pick up a suitable replacement!
Last night I meant to say best wishes/hope it works out/etc but couldn't decide which was appropriate and ended up saying nothing... Anyway, I hope everything works out ok... :/
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:18 am
by Violence
Black's around 10-15 points behind. I was hoping we would've been able to live in the corner or something, but that's not happening, apparently.
$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let's make absolutely sure of that corner, in sente. I really wanted to save that top right instead, and I hope Phelan sees it, but I think this is a more honest move order as that's gote:
$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . X O 8 4 O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X 5 | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X 3 6 9 | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X 7 | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X a . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . X O 8 4 O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X 5 | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X 3 6 9 | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X 7 | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X a . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"a" obviously still looks nice too...
I think 68 is not necessary in the explanation, so white may get sente with the given sequence.
However, black may choose to capture at 65 and ignore a white atari on the two stones, so maybe the main point is still valid.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:43 pm
by schultz
Kirby wrote:
topazg wrote:
$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X O . . O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X . | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X . . . | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let's make absolutely sure of that corner, in sente. I really wanted to save that top right instead, and I hope Phelan sees it, but I think this is a more honest move order as that's gote:
$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . X O 8 4 O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X 5 | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X 3 6 9 | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X 7 | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X a . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm160 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . X O 8 4 O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X O O X X 5 | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X 3 6 9 | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X 7 | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X a . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"a" obviously still looks nice too...
I think 68 is not necessary in the explanation, so white may get sente with the given sequence.
However, black may choose to capture at 65 and ignore a white atari on the two stones, so maybe the main point is still valid.
$$Wcm168 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X . a X X O | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X O X W | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X O | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm168 Move 160 Prisoners White 2 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . X . X X O O . | $$ | . . X O . X . O . . . . . X . a X X O | $$ | . . X O . X X X . X . X . X X X O X W | $$ | . O . . O X O O . . . . . . . X O X O | $$ | . . . O O O X . X . . O . . O O O O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . . O O . O X . O X X O O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O X O O O . . X O X O X O X . X | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . | $$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . | $$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black has to connect at 69 to save four stones, right? Or am I missing some thing else big?
Either way, great game guys. It was a lot of fun to watch. The comments were both insightful (at times), and hilarious at others. Some times both at the same time.
I look forward to another one of these, or maybe even participating in one myself some time in the future.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:46 pm
by Jordus
Wow.. its pretty bad when you go back and review the game after a while and face palm on your own moves.... What was I thinking on some of those? Wow!
But this game was really fun. Hope to play another soon.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 4:17 am
by Marcus
Jordus wrote:Wow.. its pretty bad when you go back and review the game after a while and face palm on your own moves.... What was I thinking on some of those? Wow!
This seems to be the nature of Malkovich games ... at least, if they go for an extended period of time. You improve and learn new ideas, and go back and think "Did I really play that move THERE?" ... it's an interesting feeling.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:53 am
by daniel_the_smith
I made two horrible below-my-level mistakes in this game. (Sorry, guys!)
I also made a lot of moves I wouldn't play again. It was interesting to see my justification for them. Sometimes I convinced myself, sometimes not...
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:14 am
by Phelan
So it's over? I hope I didn't create too many problems for black but I'm almost sure I did.
