Life In 19x19

Javaness wrote:I will just assume you were lying then.

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A perfect example why the Likes numbers are meaningless. Boast about distrusting other human beings' character and your number increases.

LovroKlc wrote:Robert, he often gives statements without any evidence and proof

Have you seen anybody who does not? It is a necessity in case of lacking time. During the last 30 days, I have spent ca. 2+ hours per day on average working out my messages here. I simply cannot research in evidence for each of my statements.

RobertJasiek wrote:Have you seen anybody who does not? It is a necessity in case of lacking time. During the last 30 days, I have spent ca. 2+ hours per day on average working out my messages here. I simply cannot research in evidence for each of my statements.

Yet surely you can understand other people's frustrations when you ask them to do exactly that on a number of topics on here?

topazg wrote:Yet surely you can understand other people's frustrations when you ask them to do exactly that on a number of topics on here?

Presumably you refer to Cassandra, his claims to prove mathematically and his frequent failure to do so immediately? Claimed mathematical proofs have to be exactly that or ought not to be called so.

Robert, than this maybe isnt a job for you. For example, I advertise an event here and say the prize fund is 10000 Euro. A lot of people show up, and in the end I do not give any money at all but give 10 Euro as the first place award. And what now? I can always say : I spent a lot of time organising this, I didnt have enough time to spend on every detail...

You are losing sight of reasonable scale. I already do much more than you'd expect from a rules commission member: I even research in quite some aspects everybody else might have overlooked entirely. There are limits though. Even the most serious volunteers have limits in their available time. If you want yet more (like proving the statistically obvious), then you need to ensure payment for the work.

And what exactly are you doing?

RobertJasiek wrote:You are losing sight of reasonable scale. I already do much more than you'd expect from a rules commission member: I even research in quite some aspects everybody else might have overlooked entirely. There are limits though. Even the most serious volunteers have limits in their available time. If you want yet more (like proving the statistically obvious), then you need to ensure payment for the work.

I totally agree with you about time constraints Robert. For what it is worth, I think you do put in a very large amount of time into a number of Go-related pursuits, such as rules work, writing your own books etc, and would never claim that you were slacking on the job.

However, you must understand that on L19 (and elsewhere) you operate a double standards policy. When you raise an anecdotal opinion that you consider robust enough to believe yourself based on your own experience, you post it as if your opinion should make it valuable. When other people do likewise, you ask for further evidence or proof, and consider it poor evidence until you get it. How can you not see the imbalance with claiming lack of resources (primarily time, but also money) to invest supporting your points with evidence and proof, yet expecting others to put their resources into doing exactly that?

I suspect a large part of it is you consider yourself to be an expert in most of these areas you choose to post, and therefore feel that your opinion or experience is in itself valuable evidence. You seem to be unaware, or not interested perhaps, in the fact that other people don't feel that way. You are just one more poster, and your arguments are as good or as bad as if they were raised by Joe Bloggs - if they are well supported, they are good arguments, if they are not, they are not.

However, you must understand that on L19 (and elsewhere) you operate a double standards policy. When you raise an anecdotal opinion that you consider robust enough to believe yourself based on your own experience, you post it as if your opinion should make it valuable. When other people do likewise, you ask for further evidence or proof, and consider it poor evidence until you get it. How can you not see the imbalance with claiming lack of resources (primarily time, but also money) to invest supporting your points with evidence and proof, yet expecting others to put their resources into doing exactly that?

Understand the difference! Both Javaness and I want to see evidence for statements. Javaness calls me a liar because he doubts my unsupported statement; I do not call people liars just because and when I doubt their unsupported statements.

You should also distinguish different kinds of topics! Mathematics, proposals for supposed official treatment, private opinion statements, etc. all deserve or even require different treatment.

RobertJasiek wrote:Understand the difference! Both Javaness and I want to see evidence for statements. Javaness calls me a liar because he doubts my unsupported statement; I do not call people liars just because and when I doubt their unsupported statements.

The problem is that it would not take you very long to back up your words. You are unemployed (I believe) and have seemingly plenty of time to indulge posting and reading here. I asked you to give an example, you choose not to.

I have even examined some tournaments myself and found no evidence for your claim.
So what am I supposed to think Robert? Please tell me.

Robert, when you're caught with your pants down, it's advisable to quickly pull them up and apologize to those around you. Standing in front of everyone insisting that having your pants down at your ankles is a perfectly acceptable fashion choice is not advisable.

Javaness wrote:So what am I supposed to think Robert?

That a) it was in other years (1993-2009, don't recall which), b) my memory might have played me a trick or c) I had been given wrongly represented rating data.

deja, I still trust my memory. There is nothing to take back. Don't ask me to take back what should not be taken back.

Robert, tricks are good, if they play for big money like in chess.

There is no reason to trick others just for few hundred of euro. You lose more for attending for-rating-only tournaments. And there is no benefit.

On some European tournament you can get free hotel, if your rating is high enough. That's all

RobertJasiek wrote:deja, I still trust my memory. There is nothing to take back. Don't ask me to take back what should not be taken back.

Robert, pull your pants up. It's embarrassing.