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Micha M. wrote: I have attended many AGMs, and the discussion on the proposals are sometimes lengthy, but invaluable and indispensable for voting. For instance, how can you possibly make a sound selection for an upcoming EGC host if you have not seen their presentation?

For any motion in which too little information was given in advance, I would not then expect the motion to be open for an electronic vote.

Javaness2 wrote:

Micha M. wrote: I have attended many AGMs, and the discussion on the proposals are sometimes lengthy, but invaluable and indispensable for voting. For instance, how can you possibly make a sound selection for an upcoming EGC host if you have not seen their presentation?

For any motion in which too little information was given in advance, I would not then expect the motion to be open for an electronic vote.

Or one can always stream/capture the presentations and collect e-votes in a week or so.

Still you would not be able to join the discussion.

In addition, the technical upgrade that became necessary would be enormous. You basically needed at least 10 to 20 microphones spread across the room, and you needed two or three cameras. And a team to broadcast everthing. All of this just for watching the discussions, not for participating.

Besides, this meeting is not only about motions and proposals, it it the only time when the representatives meet and discuss -- not just during the meeting, but also during the breaks and afterwards with a pint. Taking into account that the EGF and its members aim to become more professional, the members should really enable themselves to send a representative to the annual meeting. Come on, you are a national association! If the national officials cannot make the trip themselves, why not give at least a grant to your national champion to join the EGC and make him/her come to the meeting.

Javaness2 wrote:For any motion in which too little information was given in advance, I would not then expect the motion to be open for an electronic vote.

That would probably be the majority of proposals. Just have a look at last year's motions. Many of them were passed on to commissions rather than being voted on. This happens in mutual agreement of all people present. Sometimes people have questions and sometimes parts of the proposals are rephrased or withdrawn.

Bantari wrote:Or one can always stream/capture the presentations and collect e-votes in a week or so.

The outcome of a vote on a proposal often has immediate impact for the following discussion. If you would allow electrionic votes, you would have to have them in real time.

I liked what some people did last year. One board member was absent, but he handed in his opinion on some motions to all representatives, and the arguments were heard (not just read) and discussed.

Micha M. wrote: about motions and proposals, it it the only time when the representatives meet and discuss -- not just during the meeting, but also during the breaks and afterwards with a pint. Taking into account that the EGF and its members aim to become more professional, the members should really enable themselves to send a representative to the annual meeting. Come on, you are a national association! If the national officials cannot make the trip themselves, why not give at least a grant to your national champion to join the EGC and make him/her come to the meeting.

Now that the AGM is no longer held at a weekend, it means that it has become harder to attend. A new constitution is proposed this year, I actually wonder if the meeting be quorate for that, I don't think that it was last year. Most national champions are on the official board for smaller countries

Javaness2 wrote:Now that the AGM is no longer held at a weekend, it means that it has become harder to attend.

Agreed. However....

Most national champions are on the official board for smaller countries

... this should make it easier to attend.

A new constitution is proposed this year, I actually wonder if the meeting be quorate for that, I don't think that it was last year.

Last year's problem was that the proposal was raised to late. A constitution change needs to be announced six months in advance. So this year this should be fine.