This can't be right for white, he's just going to let us have territory and thickness? I don't see how these stones of his are doing anything... How do you make sabaki when we're just thick? It's like firing a pistol at a tank
Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
White fixes its left hand side to make a shape that is not easy to attack. What do you think is the situation? Is it still an even game? SE says White by 59
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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Pippen wrote:
What do you think is the situation?
I think someone took a peek into the hidden tabs XD
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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Well, I had this move in my mind before anyway^^. Besides, I like it to be a game without restrictions, so that players can learn what/how stronger ones think.
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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
I think black's last four moves might have been mistakes as white's stones don't look as stupid as I'd like them to now. Nevertheless this hane is nice.
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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Pippen wrote:
White fixes its left hand side to make a shape that is not easy to attack. What do you think is the situation? Is it still an even game? SE says White by 59
I actually thought that Black would play here.
I do think that after
in the first diagram, White has an edge. However, Uberdude's hane is huge.The Adkins Principle:
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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
I too would have chosen the hane below like Bill, but Pippen chose a different move for us. 
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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
@uberdude: Sorry, I took leichtlöslich's choice, but after re-checking, it was hidden, so maybe not meant to be an actual offer. So let's continue with your and Bill's choice then.
My move is yet again: light. If I just extend I'm heavier. My move also kind of sets up/supports a later invasion at a,b or c from the distance. I do not like to invade early, because early invasion means early outside influence for the opponent which is a bad thing if your invasion gets sealed in or semi-sealed in. Mostly that aquired outside influence is more valueable than the invasion points and takeaway points. I like White's position so far, I think it's still an even game, considering that I not only did split, but leave the split stone alone for a while.
p.s. Does someone have CS or Zen on a decent machine? What would they have played instead? How is the position evaluated? Would be cool if someone could give the bot's evaluation on the respective positions.
My move is yet again: light. If I just extend I'm heavier. My move also kind of sets up/supports a later invasion at a,b or c from the distance. I do not like to invade early, because early invasion means early outside influence for the opponent which is a bad thing if your invasion gets sealed in or semi-sealed in. Mostly that aquired outside influence is more valueable than the invasion points and takeaway points. I like White's position so far, I think it's still an even game, considering that I not only did split, but leave the split stone alone for a while.
p.s. Does someone have CS or Zen on a decent machine? What would they have played instead? How is the position evaluated? Would be cool if someone could give the bot's evaluation on the respective positions.
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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Uberdude wrote:I too would have chosen the hane below like Bill, but Pippen chose a different move for us.
I give you the credit. The hane was my second candidate, but I had not thought the position through. leichtloeslich's thought was also my first, but I didn't see how to make it work.
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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Pippen wrote:I took leichtlöslich's choice, but after re-checking, it was hidden, so maybe not meant to be an actual offer.
Apart from the button you needed to click to actually see my post, there were other subtle hints.
Like "my first instinct" written above and "seems vulgar" written below the diagram.
And in case anyone is wondering: My post hasn't been edited. The diagram was in hide-tags the whole time.
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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Double hane. I am on my phone, so I cannot post a diagram. (Assuming I am the correct main line, of course!)
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