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Who's your Go Idol ?

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Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:45 pm
by BaghwanB
Hane Naoki, Yamashita Keigo and Yoda.

Love to see the 1st 2 duke it out and Yoda's just too cool for words (at least mine).

Bruce "Fanboy" Young

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:17 pm
by Hushfield
ethanb wrote:Was Jowa actually mean/rude/evil/whatever? Between the suspicion of political intrigue at his appointment to office and, of course, the death of his opponent as a postscript to the Blood-Vomiting Game, we're sort of preconditioned to think of him as the villain of the story.

Hushfield wrote:Well, perhaps not so much evil as ambitious. And uhm, one of the best go players of all time of course.

ethanb wrote:Was he really a kind-hearted soul who taught Go at the local orphanage and adopted stray kittens?
If Honinbo Jowa did such things, I assume it would only be to indulge in his orphan- and kitten eating habits. :twisted:

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:10 pm
by Phelan
Without having studied pro games, my go idol is Nakayama Noriyuki, for his great go writings.

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:24 pm
by ketchup
Yeah, I'm amazed there are so many negative thoughts about Jowa. That's not to say, that he wasn't ambitious. It's highly likely he was. I think many of his games look similar to a modern game, so I actually enjoy reviewing his games. I think it's very forward thinking compared to the other players of that period. I don't really have a favorite though, since I haven't studied enough pro games.

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:37 pm
by tealeaf
Go Seigen, although he's a bit of an obvious choice because of sheer skill.

Apart from that, Gu Li. He's known for being very aggressive, which would normally put me off, but from the games of his that I've seen his style somehow strikes me as very elegant.

Having said that, the following game against Wang Xi in the 7th Chang-ki Cup is just pure violence. (Sent to me by a Taiwanese friend.)

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:34 pm
by Suji
Let's see. I watched one of countsheep's videos a while back and it was a game that Go Seigen played, and I remember being very impressed by his play. I also like countsheep's analysis and other videos (Ten minute go series).

I like Shusaku, too. While right now I don't understand the Ear-reddening game and why the ear-reddening move was so good, my goal is to eventually get there.

Cho U and Cho Chikun also, since they both seem to be so dominant when they're both playing their best.

So I guess Go Seigen, Honinbo Shusaku, Cho U, and Cho Chikun.

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:45 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Takeo Kajiwara

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:24 am
by cdybeijing
tealeaf wrote:Go Seigen, although he's a bit of an obvious choice because of sheer skill.

Apart from that, Gu Li. He's known for being very aggressive, which would normally put me off, but from the games of his that I've seen his style somehow strikes me as very elegant.

Having said that, the following game against Wang Xi in the 7th Chang-ki Cup is just pure violence. (Sent to me by a Taiwanese friend.)



I watched this game live on a demo board with commentary from two current pros at Tiandi Jian in Beijing. Even they didn't really know what was going on, and then it was over :shock:

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:49 am
by entropi
cdybeijing wrote:I watched this game live on a demo board with commentary from two current pros at Tiandi Jian in Beijing. Even they didn't really know what was going on, and then it was over :shock:


Unbelievable game indeed. Chess commentators say in such situations "the game is dynamically balanced", meaning "I have no idea what is going on" :D

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:04 am
by Jonas
Violence wrote:"God of War" Cho Hunhyun.


I thought Choi Choelhan would fit you more :3

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:03 am
by CarlJung
tealeaf wrote:


To my untrained eye, that opening sure looks unimpressive, from both players.

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:31 am
by John Fairbairn
Although I personally have no idea what is involved, I gather the above game is special because White loses because of the Ing superko rule.

It should also be noted that Gi Li gave up a time penalty.

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:55 am
by daniel_the_smith
John Fairbairn wrote:Although I personally have no idea what is involved, I gather the above game is special because White loses because of the Ing superko rule.


Can you (or someone) show how? I can't find a way for white to make it into triple ko in the first place due to A14...

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:37 pm
by DrStraw
Except for the expected ones (Go, Shusaku, Jowa) from an earlier era I am surprised that so many people of mentioning only players from the last 20 years or so. Someone mentioned Kitani but except for my two choices (Sakata, Shuko) there seems to be none from 1900-1970. Why is this?

Re: Who's your Go Idol ?

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:56 pm
by xed_over
DrStraw wrote: there seems to be none from 1900-1970. Why is this?

Maybe because there's not enough English language history for us to draw from. We need more Go history books.

Sure, many of their games may be available, but there's only so much time in a day to review all these pro games :)
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