Re: Deliberate Practice
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:50 am
by Knotwilg
General remark:
You diligently play games and post them for review, but I'm still missing something in your "deliberate practice": what is it you are deliberately practicing?
When I'm reading a lament like
I'm getting the impression that you've lost track. You mention a couple of issues here which I have discussed at my Sensei's blog:
- play games with the right attitude
- don't resign out of emotion but because the game is truly lost
- manage your time
Most importantly, these are things you can practice and in my opinion should be practiced before practicing anything else. This will train your mind to play all future games with the right attitude, make time management a second nature and save you from emotional measures like resigning out of disappointment with yourself.
This is of course my opinion and you can choose to practice whatever you want in whichever order, but right now I'm under the impression you are not really deliberately practicing anything at all.
Incidentally, game 41 contained an interesting notion of "thickness". Moves 64 through 72.
Cheers
You diligently play games and post them for review, but I'm still missing something in your "deliberate practice": what is it you are deliberately practicing?
When I'm reading a lament like
I'm not sure exactly why, but I simply wasn't in the right mindset to play in game 42. Despite reasonable time limits, I played as though it were a blitz game, not bothering to read at all, and barely using any of my time. Even though it remained close, eventually I made enough errors that I needed to resign.
I'm getting the impression that you've lost track. You mention a couple of issues here which I have discussed at my Sensei's blog:
- play games with the right attitude
- don't resign out of emotion but because the game is truly lost
- manage your time
Most importantly, these are things you can practice and in my opinion should be practiced before practicing anything else. This will train your mind to play all future games with the right attitude, make time management a second nature and save you from emotional measures like resigning out of disappointment with yourself.
This is of course my opinion and you can choose to practice whatever you want in whichever order, but right now I'm under the impression you are not really deliberately practicing anything at all.
Incidentally, game 41 contained an interesting notion of "thickness". Moves 64 through 72.
Cheers
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]EV[]PC[IGS: igs.joyjoy.net 6969]US[Brought to you by IGS PANDANET]C[Knotwilg: I only have a major comment at the following moves
64-72
(small one at 37)]RE[W+5.50]LT[]NB[33]NW[33]RR[Normal]
;B[pd]BL[33]
;W[dc]WL[57]
;B[qp]BL[30]
;W[dp]WL[55]
;B[oq]BL[21]
;W[qj]WL[48]
;B[de]BL[3]
;W[qm]WL[45]C[This seemed a bit slow.
Yossarian: @studying, is this something you've come across before? I wouldn't even consider a move like this.
]
;B[cc]BL[593]
;W[cb]WL[39]
;B[cd]BL[580]
;W[gc]WL[36]
;B[bb]BL[535]
;W[jc]WL[33]
;B[cn]BL[498]
;W[fq]WL[28]
;B[dj]BL[493]
;W[qf]WL[19]
;B[nc]BL[490]
;W[kq]WL[14]
(;B[rd]BL[455]C[I think this was a mistake. The variation seems better.]
;W[bp]WL[595]
;B[en]BL[442]
;W[ch]WL[579]C[The first major choice of the game - how to deal with this invasion. Because White is low across the board, it might be better to take outside influence and build up the middle.]
;B[ci]BL[410]
;W[bi]WL[564]
;B[bj]BL[360]
;W[di]WL[560]
;B[cj]BL[358]
;W[db]WL[547]C[I think this was a mistake. I feel like I gained from the following sequence.]
;B[eh]BL[326]
;W[mq]WL[473]
;B[oo]BL[273]
;W[eg]WL[442]
;B[dg]BL[206]
;W[dh]WL[421]
(;B[ef]BL[200]C[symeof: This move is by no means bad, but it seems that E11 would make the game very easy for black.
bE11 D14 C13 C14 B12 E15 B14 - white has nothing.
Only worry: bE11 D14 C13 C14 B12 B14 E14 E15 F14 C15 D16 B16 B17 E16 B19 - but white cannot approach because of the potential cut at E17, so black wins the semeai.
Knotwilg: I had the same thooughts here. See var
]
;W[ei]WL[413]
;B[fg]BL[196]
;W[gi]WL[379]
;B[bo]BL[160]C[This was probably too slow. G4 looks more interesting.]
;W[ro]WL[355]C[symeof: Well... E11 is very unhealthy. Urgent!
]
;B[rp]BL[148]C[symeof: No time to answer. Probably attack G11 first.
]
;W[fl]WL[347]C[symeof: S5 has become kikashi and white will be fine. This was a turning point in the game.
Such an unhealthy group floating in the center while all of white's stones are on the third line... could have been a massacre for white.
Now white takes the urgent point for both.
]
(;B[fj]BL[128]C[This was probably too much. I think the variation was better.]
;W[fi]WL[336]
;B[ej]BL[122]
;W[gj]WL[335]
;B[gk]BL[101]C[An overplay. G6 is much better.]
;W[hk]WL[314]
;B[hl]BL[78]
;W[gl]WL[311]
;B[fk]BL[76]
;W[go]WL[285]
(;B[gn]BL[39]C[I think the variation was better.]
;W[hn]WL[273]
;B[fo]BL[30]
;W[il]WL[267]
(;B[ho]BL[590]C[Also a mistake.]
;W[gp]WL[256]
;B[hm]BL[582]
;W[in]WL[255]
;B[gm]BL[579]
;W[im]WL[255]C[White's thickness means the game is even again.
Knotwilg: This is the crucial comment in this game. White is NOT THICK
Thickness is a widely misunderstood concept. I'm nog going to claim here that I fully grasp it, but I've come to understand there are two kinds of thickness:
1) thickness as property of a group: strong, connected stones, with eye potential, almost impossible to attack
2) thickness as property of the distribution of one's stones across the board: cooperating influence; overall immunity against pressure
Perhaps John F will cringe at my interpretation, but this is how I understand and apply Atsumi and Atsusa.
In this position, White's central stones are not thick by themselves. They can be cut. See variation.]
(;B[qh]BL[533]C[Knotwilg: however, ....]
;W[rh]WL[250]
(;B[ri]BL[516]C[This seems better than the variation.]
;W[qi]WL[248]
;B[rg]BL[514]
;W[ph]WL[248]
;B[qg]BL[513]
;W[pg]WL[600]TR[gi][gj][hk][il][im][in]SQ[pg][ph][qi][qj]C[Knotwilg: ... things have become different now. See var.]
(;B[rj]BL[510]
;W[rf]WL[576]C[symeof: The order of moves is very tricky, so I won't claim anything.
An interesting option for white is to play P16 first, to make Q15 sente: wP16 P17 Q15 R15 S14 T12 Q17 R16 P15. Black might even need to answer in the corner to prevent the R17 semeai.
Just a thought. This is quite complicated.
]
;B[sh]BL[508]
;W[qk]WL[528]
;B[hh]BL[454]
;W[ij]WL[517]C[Knotwilg: the opportunity to cut has passed]
;B[hd]BL[439]
;W[hc]WL[514]
;B[jk]BL[427]
;W[ik]WL[497]
;B[jh]BL[404]C[This felt big, but catching R14 might be better?
symeof: I believe so, the moyo is still very open because of O17 and P5, so Q14 seems like a good option.
I would be a bit worried about the G12 cut as black.
]
;W[pe]WL[493]C[Knotwilg: and another opportunity to cut has passed. Black's reduction stones are rather strengthening White.]
;B[oe]BL[398]
;W[rk]WL[482]
;B[sj]BL[387]
;W[se]WL[448]
;B[sg]BL[380]C[Knotwilg: this is a very painful result of White's induced thickness]
;W[rc]WL[433]
;B[qc]BL[374]
;W[of]WL[422]
;B[kb]BL[359]
;W[jb]WL[401]
;B[kc]BL[357]
;W[kd]WL[398]
;B[ld]BL[355]
;W[le]WL[391]C[symeof: I can't explain this move
]
;B[ke]BL[328]
;W[jd]WL[389]
;B[md]BL[327]
;W[ne]WL[375]
;B[me]BL[312]
;W[od]WL[370]
;B[oc]BL[310]
;W[mn]WL[345]C[This was bigger than I realized.]
(;B[bq]BL[261]C[I wonder if it's better for Black to change the move order.
symeof: Agreed
]
;W[ap]WL[338]TR[cq]
(;B[cq]BL[569]C[A mistake. See the variation.]
;W[cp]WL[331]
;B[eq]BL[525]
;W[dq]WL[311]
;B[ep]BL[468]
;W[er]WL[308]
;B[fr]BL[466]
;W[gr]WL[262]
;B[dr]BL[461]
;W[fs]WL[261]
;B[cr]BL[453]
;W[ar]WL[257]
;B[aq]BL[448]
;W[ds]WL[596]
;B[cs]BL[441]
;W[es]WL[577]
;B[do]BL[436]
;W[bs]WL[564]
;B[ja]BL[422]
;W[ia]WL[562]
;B[ka]BL[420]
;W[hb]WL[521]
;B[kj]BL[392]
;W[mj]WL[473]
;B[nr]BL[372]
;W[ki]WL[458]
;B[ji]BL[362]
;W[jj]WL[442]
;B[li]BL[356]
;W[lj]WL[415]
;B[kh]BL[344]
;W[kk]WL[414]
;B[om]BL[329]
;W[nl]WL[372]
;B[ks]BL[299]
;W[ms]WL[364]
;B[mr]BL[297]
;W[lr]WL[364]
;B[ls]BL[295]
;W[js]WL[364]
;B[ns]BL[292]
;W[kr]WL[363]C[symeof: --Funny remark--
it seems that black has a better way to let white capture the semeai in the bottom left corner, without losing all the liberties of C3...
And that would have made N1 sente haha (at least at some point).
Assume that black C3 has one more liberty (he doesn't play A3, instead he directly D5) then black N1, white ignores, black K2 and the rest is given as an exercice for the reader ;D
]
;B[mo]BL[231]
;W[lo]WL[355]
;B[nn]BL[215]
;W[mm]WL[351]
;B[je]BL[209]
;W[sd]WL[301]
;B[rb]BL[206]
;W[sb]WL[289]
;B[sc]BL[594]
;W[lc]WL[286]
;B[lb]BL[589]
;W[rc]WL[285]
;B[co]BL[576]
;W[br]WL[283]
;B[sc]BL[574]
;W[mb]WL[274]
;B[mc]BL[572]
;W[rc]WL[273]
;B[hi]BL[570]
;W[hj]WL[269]
;B[sc]BL[569]
;W[ao]WL[582]
;B[an]BL[566]
;W[rc]WL[580]
;B[id]BL[459]
;W[ba]WL[564]
;B[ab]BL[451]
;W[ic]WL[553]
;B[gd]BL[429]C[This seemed bigger than the ko, but I'm not sure.]
;W[qb]WL[549]
;B[pb]BL[405]C[Yaka: Why didn't you capture at t17?
]
;W[ra]WL[541]
;B[ol]BL[380]
;W[ok]WL[530]
;B[rn]BL[358]
;W[qn]WL[523]
;B[qo]BL[356]
;W[rm]WL[522]
;B[bg]BL[350]C[I felt lucky to get this.]
;W[bh]WL[513]
;B[bf]BL[269]C[symeof: I believe you are right. T5 is bigger.
Yaka: T5 is 10 points gote endgame.
How about b14 hm. I guess we can expect t5 b14 c13 a13 b15 t19 c14 a14 a15 a12. Black has 5 points compared to 8 in the game. So like this b14 is 3 points reverse sente
(black shouldn't exchange the ataris before a10 is resolved)
not sure what the best endgame is, but atleast it seems t5 was bigger than b14
]
;W[fd]WL[497]
;B[fe]BL[265]
;W[sn]WL[493]
;B[mi]BL[260]
;W[nj]WL[456]
;B[sp]BL[245]
;W[bm]WL[432]
;B[bn]BL[242]
;W[aj]WL[431]
;B[ak]BL[240]
;W[ai]WL[427]
;B[bl]BL[237]
;W[mf]WL[410]
(;B[lf]BL[211]C[There aren't many big sente plays left, so the gote variation might be better.]
;W[mg]WL[366]
;B[ed]BL[105]
;W[fc]WL[358]
;B[mp]BL[553]
;W[lp]WL[354]
;B[nq]BL[515]
;W[gh]WL[351]
;B[gg]BL[513]
;W[ii]WL[351]
;B[ih]BL[511]
;W[lg]WL[351]
;B[kg]BL[509]
;W[cg]WL[351]
;B[cf]BL[508]
;W[ni]WL[344]
;B[mh]BL[491]
;W[nh]WL[596]
;B[ec]BL[488]
;W[eb]WL[594]
;B[sk]BL[474]C[Q8 is probably better.]
;W[ki]WL[565]
;B[lh]BL[441]
;W[dd]WL[563]
;B[ee]BL[438]
;W[fp]WL[558]
;B[ms]BL[410]
;W[eo]WL[549]
;B[ep]BL[409]
;W[pl]WL[542]
;B[ca]BL[385]
;W[da]WL[529]
;B[pa]BL[380]
;W[qd]WL[525]
;B[qe]BL[377]
;W[re]WL[522]
;B[qa]BL[373]
;W[rb]WL[520]
;B[nd]BL[367]
;W[oe]WL[516]
;B[sl]BL[344]
;W[qd]WL[506]
;B[pc]BL[342]
;W[pn]WL[493]
;B[po]BL[333]
;W[fh]WL[484]
;B[eg]BL[318]
;W[nm]WL[452]
;B[on]BL[316]
;W[ag]WL[440]
;B[af]BL[313]
;W[lq]WL[421]
;B[rl]BL[308]
;W[ql]WL[420]
;B[kj]BL[592]
;W[np]WL[408]
;B[no]BL[590]
;W[ki]WL[407]
;B[ah]BL[588]
;W[kj]WL[402]
;B[ag]BL[587]
;W[fb]WL[391]
;B[bc]BL[585]
;W[eq]WL[385]
;B[eo]BL[583]
;W[ca]WL[384]
;B[so]BL[578]
;W[rn]WL[570]
;B[]BL[575]
;W[]WL[565]
;B[]BL[575]C[
em420302 5d : em420302 dead @ H5
em420302 5d : em420302 dead @ K9
Studying 5d?: Studying dead @ F8
Studying 5d?: Studying dead @ B7
Studying 5d?: Studying dead @ N18
Studying 5d?: Studying dead @ O4
Studying done
]
;TW[ea][fa][ga][ha][sa][gb][ib][sc][rd][qe][nf][pf][ng][og][oh][oi][pi][oj][pj][jk][lk][mk][nk][pk][jl][kl][ll][ml][jm][km][lm][jn][kn][ln][ho][io][jo][ko][hp][ip][jp][kp][aq][bq][cq][gq][hq][iq][jq][cr][dr][fr][hr][ir][jr][as][cs][gs][hs][is]TB[la][ma][na][oa][mb][nb][ob][ac][lc][ad][bd][ae][be][ce][ge][he][ie][le][df][ff][gf][hf][if][jf][kf][hg][ig][jg][rh][si][bk][ck][dk][ek][al][cl][dl][el][fl][gl][am][bm][cm][dm][em][fm][dn][fn][np][op][pp][pq][qq][rq][sq][or][pr][qr][rr][sr][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[W+5.5]OS[CRWskZYR][CRXOvxHJ][CRhmRjPf][Danndann][GOGAKUYU][Mirko1961][SUHSUE][ToneHoni][exswoo][gucchii][hh8][jbx][k4647k][komisuke][kurum1][llm][mienai][nbr][raid][s000327][samizutan][sawa1234][sesame][swamarama][szo][tabi][takaoN][tetusi2][tusile][u0174][ut416])
(;B[ng]
;W[mg]
;B[nh]
;W[nf]
;B[lf]))
(;B[eq]
;W[dq]
;B[ep]
;W[er]
;B[fr]
;W[gr]
;B[dr]
;W[fs]
;B[cr]
(;W[aq]
;B[cp]
;W[do]
;B[eo]
;W[cq]
;B[br]
;W[co]
;B[dn]
;W[cp]
;B[ao])
(;W[cp]
(;B[aq]
;W[do]
;B[eo]
;W[dn]
;B[dm]
;W[em]
;B[el]
;W[cm]
;B[fm]
;W[bn])
(;B[do]
;W[ar]
(;B[aq]
;W[br]
;B[cq]
;W[cs])
(;B[br]
;W[aq]
;B[co]
(;W[ds]
;B[bs])
(;W[bs]
;B[ds]
;W[es]
;B[ao]))))))
(;B[eq]C[Black should start here.]
;W[dq]
;B[ep]
;W[er]
;B[bq]
;W[ap]
;B[fr]
;W[gr]
;B[dr]
;W[fs]
;B[cr]
(;W[ar]
;B[cp])
(;W[cp]
;B[aq]
;W[ds]
;B[do]
;W[cs]
;B[bs]
;W[es]
;B[co])))
(;B[ik]
;W[hj]
;B[jk]TR[pg][ph][qi][qj]C[Black can still cut, but White's triangled position has become much stronger.
Now there's a case for arguing that White is thick in the global sense.
]))
(;B[rg]
;W[qg]
;B[ri]
;W[ph]
;B[qi]
;W[pi]
;B[rj]
;W[qk]
;B[rf]C[White's thickness is even better.]))
(;B[ik]
;W[hj]
;B[jk]LB[io:A]TR[qj]SQ[nc][oo]C[Black's cutting stones are out in the open. True, White's triangled stone may come to the aid, but by the same token Black's squared stones may come to the aid.
White's lump of stones top left has become very heavy. And the other string that has been cut off, has some aji at A.
So White's stones are not thick by themselves and neither is White immune for attack due to its overall distribution of stones.]))
(;B[gp]
;W[ho]
;B[fp]C[White has broken shape.]))
(;B[gm]
;W[hm]
;B[il]
;W[fm]
;B[hj]
;W[ik]
;B[ij]
;W[jk]
;B[hh]
;W[hi]
;B[ii]
;W[ih]
;B[kj]
;W[gh]
;B[hg]
;W[gg]
;B[gf]
;W[hf]
;B[ig]
;W[jh]
;B[ki]
;W[if]C[The ladder is good for Black.]))
(;B[gn]))
(;B[ei]C[Knotwilg: I wondered about the natural move]
;W[df]
;B[cg]
;W[cf]
;B[bg]
;W[bf]
;B[ef]
(;W[fg]
;B[bh]
;W[ee]
;B[ff]
;W[dd]
;B[ce]
;W[be]
;B[bd]
;W[ad]
;B[bc]
;W[gf]
;B[fe]LB[ed:A][af:B])
(;W[ee]
;B[fg]
;W[dd]
;B[ce]
;W[be]
;B[bd]
;W[ad]
;B[bc])))
(;B[bp]
;W[cq]
;B[en]
;W[rd]
;B[qc]
;W[of]C[Because Black has high stones at D15 and D10, Black is better here.]))
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[60]
GN[]PW[IGS Player]PB[studying]WR[5d]BR[5d]DT[2015-07-16]CP[
Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2015
Permission to reproduce this game is given, provided proper credit is given.
No warrantee, implied or explicit, is understood.
Use of this game is an understanding and agreement of this notice.
]EV[]PC[IGS: igs.joyjoy.net 6969]US[Brought to you by IGS PANDANET]C[Knotwilg: I only have a major comment at the following moves
64-72
(small one at 37)]RE[W+5.50]LT[]NB[33]NW[33]RR[Normal]
;B[pd]BL[33]
;W[dc]WL[57]
;B[qp]BL[30]
;W[dp]WL[55]
;B[oq]BL[21]
;W[qj]WL[48]
;B[de]BL[3]
;W[qm]WL[45]C[This seemed a bit slow.
Yossarian: @studying, is this something you've come across before? I wouldn't even consider a move like this.
]
;B[cc]BL[593]
;W[cb]WL[39]
;B[cd]BL[580]
;W[gc]WL[36]
;B[bb]BL[535]
;W[jc]WL[33]
;B[cn]BL[498]
;W[fq]WL[28]
;B[dj]BL[493]
;W[qf]WL[19]
;B[nc]BL[490]
;W[kq]WL[14]
(;B[rd]BL[455]C[I think this was a mistake. The variation seems better.]
;W[bp]WL[595]
;B[en]BL[442]
;W[ch]WL[579]C[The first major choice of the game - how to deal with this invasion. Because White is low across the board, it might be better to take outside influence and build up the middle.]
;B[ci]BL[410]
;W[bi]WL[564]
;B[bj]BL[360]
;W[di]WL[560]
;B[cj]BL[358]
;W[db]WL[547]C[I think this was a mistake. I feel like I gained from the following sequence.]
;B[eh]BL[326]
;W[mq]WL[473]
;B[oo]BL[273]
;W[eg]WL[442]
;B[dg]BL[206]
;W[dh]WL[421]
(;B[ef]BL[200]C[symeof: This move is by no means bad, but it seems that E11 would make the game very easy for black.
bE11 D14 C13 C14 B12 E15 B14 - white has nothing.
Only worry: bE11 D14 C13 C14 B12 B14 E14 E15 F14 C15 D16 B16 B17 E16 B19 - but white cannot approach because of the potential cut at E17, so black wins the semeai.
Knotwilg: I had the same thooughts here. See var
]
;W[ei]WL[413]
;B[fg]BL[196]
;W[gi]WL[379]
;B[bo]BL[160]C[This was probably too slow. G4 looks more interesting.]
;W[ro]WL[355]C[symeof: Well... E11 is very unhealthy. Urgent!
]
;B[rp]BL[148]C[symeof: No time to answer. Probably attack G11 first.
]
;W[fl]WL[347]C[symeof: S5 has become kikashi and white will be fine. This was a turning point in the game.
Such an unhealthy group floating in the center while all of white's stones are on the third line... could have been a massacre for white.
Now white takes the urgent point for both.
]
(;B[fj]BL[128]C[This was probably too much. I think the variation was better.]
;W[fi]WL[336]
;B[ej]BL[122]
;W[gj]WL[335]
;B[gk]BL[101]C[An overplay. G6 is much better.]
;W[hk]WL[314]
;B[hl]BL[78]
;W[gl]WL[311]
;B[fk]BL[76]
;W[go]WL[285]
(;B[gn]BL[39]C[I think the variation was better.]
;W[hn]WL[273]
;B[fo]BL[30]
;W[il]WL[267]
(;B[ho]BL[590]C[Also a mistake.]
;W[gp]WL[256]
;B[hm]BL[582]
;W[in]WL[255]
;B[gm]BL[579]
;W[im]WL[255]C[White's thickness means the game is even again.
Knotwilg: This is the crucial comment in this game. White is NOT THICK
Thickness is a widely misunderstood concept. I'm nog going to claim here that I fully grasp it, but I've come to understand there are two kinds of thickness:
1) thickness as property of a group: strong, connected stones, with eye potential, almost impossible to attack
2) thickness as property of the distribution of one's stones across the board: cooperating influence; overall immunity against pressure
Perhaps John F will cringe at my interpretation, but this is how I understand and apply Atsumi and Atsusa.
In this position, White's central stones are not thick by themselves. They can be cut. See variation.]
(;B[qh]BL[533]C[Knotwilg: however, ....]
;W[rh]WL[250]
(;B[ri]BL[516]C[This seems better than the variation.]
;W[qi]WL[248]
;B[rg]BL[514]
;W[ph]WL[248]
;B[qg]BL[513]
;W[pg]WL[600]TR[gi][gj][hk][il][im][in]SQ[pg][ph][qi][qj]C[Knotwilg: ... things have become different now. See var.]
(;B[rj]BL[510]
;W[rf]WL[576]C[symeof: The order of moves is very tricky, so I won't claim anything.
An interesting option for white is to play P16 first, to make Q15 sente: wP16 P17 Q15 R15 S14 T12 Q17 R16 P15. Black might even need to answer in the corner to prevent the R17 semeai.
Just a thought. This is quite complicated.
]
;B[sh]BL[508]
;W[qk]WL[528]
;B[hh]BL[454]
;W[ij]WL[517]C[Knotwilg: the opportunity to cut has passed]
;B[hd]BL[439]
;W[hc]WL[514]
;B[jk]BL[427]
;W[ik]WL[497]
;B[jh]BL[404]C[This felt big, but catching R14 might be better?
symeof: I believe so, the moyo is still very open because of O17 and P5, so Q14 seems like a good option.
I would be a bit worried about the G12 cut as black.
]
;W[pe]WL[493]C[Knotwilg: and another opportunity to cut has passed. Black's reduction stones are rather strengthening White.]
;B[oe]BL[398]
;W[rk]WL[482]
;B[sj]BL[387]
;W[se]WL[448]
;B[sg]BL[380]C[Knotwilg: this is a very painful result of White's induced thickness]
;W[rc]WL[433]
;B[qc]BL[374]
;W[of]WL[422]
;B[kb]BL[359]
;W[jb]WL[401]
;B[kc]BL[357]
;W[kd]WL[398]
;B[ld]BL[355]
;W[le]WL[391]C[symeof: I can't explain this move
]
;B[ke]BL[328]
;W[jd]WL[389]
;B[md]BL[327]
;W[ne]WL[375]
;B[me]BL[312]
;W[od]WL[370]
;B[oc]BL[310]
;W[mn]WL[345]C[This was bigger than I realized.]
(;B[bq]BL[261]C[I wonder if it's better for Black to change the move order.
symeof: Agreed
]
;W[ap]WL[338]TR[cq]
(;B[cq]BL[569]C[A mistake. See the variation.]
;W[cp]WL[331]
;B[eq]BL[525]
;W[dq]WL[311]
;B[ep]BL[468]
;W[er]WL[308]
;B[fr]BL[466]
;W[gr]WL[262]
;B[dr]BL[461]
;W[fs]WL[261]
;B[cr]BL[453]
;W[ar]WL[257]
;B[aq]BL[448]
;W[ds]WL[596]
;B[cs]BL[441]
;W[es]WL[577]
;B[do]BL[436]
;W[bs]WL[564]
;B[ja]BL[422]
;W[ia]WL[562]
;B[ka]BL[420]
;W[hb]WL[521]
;B[kj]BL[392]
;W[mj]WL[473]
;B[nr]BL[372]
;W[ki]WL[458]
;B[ji]BL[362]
;W[jj]WL[442]
;B[li]BL[356]
;W[lj]WL[415]
;B[kh]BL[344]
;W[kk]WL[414]
;B[om]BL[329]
;W[nl]WL[372]
;B[ks]BL[299]
;W[ms]WL[364]
;B[mr]BL[297]
;W[lr]WL[364]
;B[ls]BL[295]
;W[js]WL[364]
;B[ns]BL[292]
;W[kr]WL[363]C[symeof: --Funny remark--
it seems that black has a better way to let white capture the semeai in the bottom left corner, without losing all the liberties of C3...
And that would have made N1 sente haha (at least at some point).
Assume that black C3 has one more liberty (he doesn't play A3, instead he directly D5) then black N1, white ignores, black K2 and the rest is given as an exercice for the reader ;D
]
;B[mo]BL[231]
;W[lo]WL[355]
;B[nn]BL[215]
;W[mm]WL[351]
;B[je]BL[209]
;W[sd]WL[301]
;B[rb]BL[206]
;W[sb]WL[289]
;B[sc]BL[594]
;W[lc]WL[286]
;B[lb]BL[589]
;W[rc]WL[285]
;B[co]BL[576]
;W[br]WL[283]
;B[sc]BL[574]
;W[mb]WL[274]
;B[mc]BL[572]
;W[rc]WL[273]
;B[hi]BL[570]
;W[hj]WL[269]
;B[sc]BL[569]
;W[ao]WL[582]
;B[an]BL[566]
;W[rc]WL[580]
;B[id]BL[459]
;W[ba]WL[564]
;B[ab]BL[451]
;W[ic]WL[553]
;B[gd]BL[429]C[This seemed bigger than the ko, but I'm not sure.]
;W[qb]WL[549]
;B[pb]BL[405]C[Yaka: Why didn't you capture at t17?
]
;W[ra]WL[541]
;B[ol]BL[380]
;W[ok]WL[530]
;B[rn]BL[358]
;W[qn]WL[523]
;B[qo]BL[356]
;W[rm]WL[522]
;B[bg]BL[350]C[I felt lucky to get this.]
;W[bh]WL[513]
;B[bf]BL[269]C[symeof: I believe you are right. T5 is bigger.
Yaka: T5 is 10 points gote endgame.
How about b14 hm. I guess we can expect t5 b14 c13 a13 b15 t19 c14 a14 a15 a12. Black has 5 points compared to 8 in the game. So like this b14 is 3 points reverse sente
(black shouldn't exchange the ataris before a10 is resolved)
not sure what the best endgame is, but atleast it seems t5 was bigger than b14
]
;W[fd]WL[497]
;B[fe]BL[265]
;W[sn]WL[493]
;B[mi]BL[260]
;W[nj]WL[456]
;B[sp]BL[245]
;W[bm]WL[432]
;B[bn]BL[242]
;W[aj]WL[431]
;B[ak]BL[240]
;W[ai]WL[427]
;B[bl]BL[237]
;W[mf]WL[410]
(;B[lf]BL[211]C[There aren't many big sente plays left, so the gote variation might be better.]
;W[mg]WL[366]
;B[ed]BL[105]
;W[fc]WL[358]
;B[mp]BL[553]
;W[lp]WL[354]
;B[nq]BL[515]
;W[gh]WL[351]
;B[gg]BL[513]
;W[ii]WL[351]
;B[ih]BL[511]
;W[lg]WL[351]
;B[kg]BL[509]
;W[cg]WL[351]
;B[cf]BL[508]
;W[ni]WL[344]
;B[mh]BL[491]
;W[nh]WL[596]
;B[ec]BL[488]
;W[eb]WL[594]
;B[sk]BL[474]C[Q8 is probably better.]
;W[ki]WL[565]
;B[lh]BL[441]
;W[dd]WL[563]
;B[ee]BL[438]
;W[fp]WL[558]
;B[ms]BL[410]
;W[eo]WL[549]
;B[ep]BL[409]
;W[pl]WL[542]
;B[ca]BL[385]
;W[da]WL[529]
;B[pa]BL[380]
;W[qd]WL[525]
;B[qe]BL[377]
;W[re]WL[522]
;B[qa]BL[373]
;W[rb]WL[520]
;B[nd]BL[367]
;W[oe]WL[516]
;B[sl]BL[344]
;W[qd]WL[506]
;B[pc]BL[342]
;W[pn]WL[493]
;B[po]BL[333]
;W[fh]WL[484]
;B[eg]BL[318]
;W[nm]WL[452]
;B[on]BL[316]
;W[ag]WL[440]
;B[af]BL[313]
;W[lq]WL[421]
;B[rl]BL[308]
;W[ql]WL[420]
;B[kj]BL[592]
;W[np]WL[408]
;B[no]BL[590]
;W[ki]WL[407]
;B[ah]BL[588]
;W[kj]WL[402]
;B[ag]BL[587]
;W[fb]WL[391]
;B[bc]BL[585]
;W[eq]WL[385]
;B[eo]BL[583]
;W[ca]WL[384]
;B[so]BL[578]
;W[rn]WL[570]
;B[]BL[575]
;W[]WL[565]
;B[]BL[575]C[
em420302 5d : em420302 dead @ H5
em420302 5d : em420302 dead @ K9
Studying 5d?: Studying dead @ F8
Studying 5d?: Studying dead @ B7
Studying 5d?: Studying dead @ N18
Studying 5d?: Studying dead @ O4
Studying done
]
;TW[ea][fa][ga][ha][sa][gb][ib][sc][rd][qe][nf][pf][ng][og][oh][oi][pi][oj][pj][jk][lk][mk][nk][pk][jl][kl][ll][ml][jm][km][lm][jn][kn][ln][ho][io][jo][ko][hp][ip][jp][kp][aq][bq][cq][gq][hq][iq][jq][cr][dr][fr][hr][ir][jr][as][cs][gs][hs][is]TB[la][ma][na][oa][mb][nb][ob][ac][lc][ad][bd][ae][be][ce][ge][he][ie][le][df][ff][gf][hf][if][jf][kf][hg][ig][jg][rh][si][bk][ck][dk][ek][al][cl][dl][el][fl][gl][am][bm][cm][dm][em][fm][dn][fn][np][op][pp][pq][qq][rq][sq][or][pr][qr][rr][sr][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[W+5.5]OS[CRWskZYR][CRXOvxHJ][CRhmRjPf][Danndann][GOGAKUYU][Mirko1961][SUHSUE][ToneHoni][exswoo][gucchii][hh8][jbx][k4647k][komisuke][kurum1][llm][mienai][nbr][raid][s000327][samizutan][sawa1234][sesame][swamarama][szo][tabi][takaoN][tetusi2][tusile][u0174][ut416])
(;B[ng]
;W[mg]
;B[nh]
;W[nf]
;B[lf]))
(;B[eq]
;W[dq]
;B[ep]
;W[er]
;B[fr]
;W[gr]
;B[dr]
;W[fs]
;B[cr]
(;W[aq]
;B[cp]
;W[do]
;B[eo]
;W[cq]
;B[br]
;W[co]
;B[dn]
;W[cp]
;B[ao])
(;W[cp]
(;B[aq]
;W[do]
;B[eo]
;W[dn]
;B[dm]
;W[em]
;B[el]
;W[cm]
;B[fm]
;W[bn])
(;B[do]
;W[ar]
(;B[aq]
;W[br]
;B[cq]
;W[cs])
(;B[br]
;W[aq]
;B[co]
(;W[ds]
;B[bs])
(;W[bs]
;B[ds]
;W[es]
;B[ao]))))))
(;B[eq]C[Black should start here.]
;W[dq]
;B[ep]
;W[er]
;B[bq]
;W[ap]
;B[fr]
;W[gr]
;B[dr]
;W[fs]
;B[cr]
(;W[ar]
;B[cp])
(;W[cp]
;B[aq]
;W[ds]
;B[do]
;W[cs]
;B[bs]
;W[es]
;B[co])))
(;B[ik]
;W[hj]
;B[jk]TR[pg][ph][qi][qj]C[Black can still cut, but White's triangled position has become much stronger.
Now there's a case for arguing that White is thick in the global sense.
]))
(;B[rg]
;W[qg]
;B[ri]
;W[ph]
;B[qi]
;W[pi]
;B[rj]
;W[qk]
;B[rf]C[White's thickness is even better.]))
(;B[ik]
;W[hj]
;B[jk]LB[io:A]TR[qj]SQ[nc][oo]C[Black's cutting stones are out in the open. True, White's triangled stone may come to the aid, but by the same token Black's squared stones may come to the aid.
White's lump of stones top left has become very heavy. And the other string that has been cut off, has some aji at A.
So White's stones are not thick by themselves and neither is White immune for attack due to its overall distribution of stones.]))
(;B[gp]
;W[ho]
;B[fp]C[White has broken shape.]))
(;B[gm]
;W[hm]
;B[il]
;W[fm]
;B[hj]
;W[ik]
;B[ij]
;W[jk]
;B[hh]
;W[hi]
;B[ii]
;W[ih]
;B[kj]
;W[gh]
;B[hg]
;W[gg]
;B[gf]
;W[hf]
;B[ig]
;W[jh]
;B[ki]
;W[if]C[The ladder is good for Black.]))
(;B[gn]))
(;B[ei]C[Knotwilg: I wondered about the natural move]
;W[df]
;B[cg]
;W[cf]
;B[bg]
;W[bf]
;B[ef]
(;W[fg]
;B[bh]
;W[ee]
;B[ff]
;W[dd]
;B[ce]
;W[be]
;B[bd]
;W[ad]
;B[bc]
;W[gf]
;B[fe]LB[ed:A][af:B])
(;W[ee]
;B[fg]
;W[dd]
;B[ce]
;W[be]
;B[bd]
;W[ad]
;B[bc])))
(;B[bp]
;W[cq]
;B[en]
;W[rd]
;B[qc]
;W[of]C[Because Black has high stones at D15 and D10, Black is better here.]))
. Great counter at
- would never have thought of that.
, making territory at the top? Black is too thin at the top to cap at 3 with 2. So if
, then
.
is indeed submissive.
.