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Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:49 pm
by Kirby
Joaz Banbeck wrote: @Kirby: Are you still in Michigan? Or did you end up on the west coast?
I live around Seattle, so I'm in the same time zone as you.
Joaz Banbeck wrote: @Black:
TegaiS wrote: ...A boring game is not an option!
I think that this eliminates the low Chinese.
Besides that, I usually play high if I play Chinese.
Also, I'm comfortable with the Kobayashi. I could go for the traditional at 'b', or with the tighter 'a', which may take all three of the white players out of their book.
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Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:01 pm
by skydyr
andreyl wrote: @White
I am also not a fan of direct approaching in this situation,I prefer to play at d3 or d4.
I would rather not play at C4,I would like to avoid giving black this position(or lower approach)
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Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:41 pm
by emeraldemon
@lowercaseteam
Personally I have no problem with this:
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Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:56 pm
by sybob
Interesting, such a 3x3 malkovitch rengo setup.
Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:03 pm
by skydyr
emeraldemon wrote: @lowercaseteam
Personally I have no problem with this:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cIt may be that taking 44 gives us a bit more initiative, since if black plays chinese we choose the approach. I doubt it matters much though.
I don't know... white feels a move behind here to me. Black could play, say G4 and if white responds, then switch to the top, and if not, then play D5 to take advantage on the lower side. Maybe the issue is
though, and an approach would be better?
Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:09 pm
by andreyl
@White team
I don't really mind facing chinese opening,white got some options - for example:
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Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:21 pm
by skydyr
Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:48 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
@Kirby:
Kirby wrote: Joaz Banbeck wrote: ...
Also, I'm comfortable with the Kobayashi. I could go for the traditional at 'b', or with the tighter 'a', which may take all three of the white players out of their book.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cThe black play at 'a' tends to lead white to overplay in the lower right corner, often leaving him with long term weak groups...
I like 'a' in your diagram. I've studied it a little bit from being in the AYD.
So shall we tell our teammate that
if they play 2 in the above diagram, then we like 3,
andif they play 4, then we like 'a'?
If he agrees, we play those if/thens. If he doesn't like either of them, we stop and talk it over.
Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:40 pm
by Kirby
Joaz Banbeck wrote: @Kirby:
Kirby wrote: Joaz Banbeck wrote: ...
Also, I'm comfortable with the Kobayashi. I could go for the traditional at 'b', or with the tighter 'a', which may take all three of the white players out of their book.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cThe black play at 'a' tends to lead white to overplay in the lower right corner, often leaving him with long term weak groups...
I like 'a' in your diagram. I've studied it a little bit from being in the AYD.
So shall we tell our teammate that
if they play 2 in the above diagram, then we like 3,
andif they play 4, then we like 'a'?
If he agrees, we play those if/thens. If he doesn't like either of them, we stop and talk it over.
@Black/Cap team:
That works for me. I like this board position as black, if we can get it:
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Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:17 pm
by emeraldemon
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Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:30 pm
by Bill Spight
FWIW
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. True, the position is even, by symmetry. But I like
next.
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restores symmetry,
is a good play to break symmetry.
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and
White can maintain symmetry much longer.
Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:50 pm
by TegaiS
Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:54 pm
by Kirby
@black team:
I'm somewhat split on this one. One idea is to approach their corner. The corner is pretty big, so we could take that immediately with either a high or low approach:
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On the other hand, we could consider enclosing our own corner. That leaves white with a couple of options.
If white takes the other corner, we can take the mutually big spot on the bottom:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cIf white plays on the bottom first, we get to stop them from enclosing the corner, too:
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Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:55 pm
by Kirby
Re: Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:08 am
by TegaiS
@Black
Like this
will be in a good position. So a or b below can be better
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cThis is very similar to the standart Kobayashi opening with inverted colors but we are already 13 points short because of the komi. Does the change in the position compensate those points?
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Besides that, I usually play high if I play Chinese.
though, and an approach would be better?
. True, the position is even, by symmetry. But I like 
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is a good play to break symmetry.
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