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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:32 am
by EdLee
Go_Japan wrote: Can I ask Magicwand for clarification?
Yes.
My guess is W is waiting to exploit B's shape near the grey areas...
Locally, the exchange (
-
) is good for B,
( W is filling in dame but B
could profit bottom )
but W wants the extra
stone --
$$B
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Re:
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:38 am
by Go_Japan
@EdLee
EdLee wrote: Go_Japan wrote: Can I ask Magicwand for clarification?
Yes.
Thanks!
@Magicwand, can you check my previous post?
Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:20 am
by Majordomo
Also watching - been reading several of these threads here and getting to see how stronger players think as they play is great!
Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:07 am
by Magicwand
Go_Japan:
it is bad in even game becasue i am giving up points first for influence.
But in an handycap game you will need some influence of your own to make game complicated.
see below variation. which i think is an optimal way of playing.
although it is optimal... black's influence with tengent stone make me scared.
when you can not isolate your opponent's weak stone you better have points to back that up.
to isolate black stones now i have to give him some points first.
$$Wcm11c
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm11c
I am thinking below will be what is ahead.
then my opponent might not answer my threat
$$Wcm11c
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm11c
Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:28 pm
by Go_Japan
@Magicwand
Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:22 am
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Wcm11c
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
...It is going to be interesting to see who goes after whose long connection first.
If you look at 'cutting ogeima' in sensei's library, there is a very instructive page. The simplest method shown - without surrounding stones - is this:
$$ Cutting the ogeima at 'x'
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Transferring that to the game, it suggests that MW will try to cut at either of the points indicated with an 'x' below:
$$Wcm11c
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I, of course, am looking at separating him using 'y', or maybe 'z'.
But for right now, my biggest concern is him enveloping the lower left corner. So all the cutting has to wait.
I don't think that he can currently cut either way.
One attempt looks like this:
$$Wcm1 Either the cut fails or I get a huge left side.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Either the cut fails or I get a huge left side.
The other looks like this:
$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1
Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:32 am
by Magicwand
$$Wcm11c
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Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:45 am
by Magicwand
Obs:
I am not on a byomi so i can think about everything including kitchen sink.
I love it!! but same goes for my opponent.
if he answer again...below is what i expect.
$$Wcm11c
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm11c$$Wcm21c
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21c
exchange of 24 and 25 will give me a steping stone for invasion on black's bottome territory (that is only possible later after i gain 100% life of my group on top of that)
Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:18 am
by Joaz Banbeck
@All: Today is 30 days past the end of a quarter, so lots of tax forms are due tomorrow. ( many with checks attached, alas )
I will probably make a move on Tuesday.
@Observers:
My current favorite is an innocuous looking move at C10:
$$Wcm11c
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It spoils any attempt to cut my ogeima, and threatens a large kill with H13.
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:22 am
by EdLee
It spoils any attempt to cut my ogeima
Does it ?
$$W
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Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:52 am
by Go_Japan
I think I would prefer to attack in this situation. I am sure there are a lot of posible responses from white after black cuts the two white stones, but I think black is at an advantage. Perhaps someone can school me as to why this is a bad idea.
$$W
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:39 am
by EdLee
Go_Japan,
$$B var 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B var 1$$Bm11 var 1 cont'd
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm11 var 1 cont'd$$B var 2
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B var 2
Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:51 am
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Wcm11c
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@Observers:
Joaz Banbeck wrote: ...
Actually, it turns out - according to my notoriously poor reading - that C10 works even
after an attempted cut:
If he is determined to make the cut, he can have it, but I can slide under, making territory in the upper left, and my central stones turn into reducing stones:
$$Wcm1c
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1c
Or, if he is determined to not let me make territory in the upper left, he can make himself heavy with
, and then I threaten to make lots of territory in the lower left instead:
$$Wcm1c
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1c
He almost certainly declines this, and then I net the cutting stone:
$$Wcm1c
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1c
( The peek at D7 can be played at several different points here, and probably is best after the pinwheel forms. )
There are far more lines that I have looked at that I don't have time to show here, and probably a few more lines beyond those which I should have looked at but didn't. However, the general tactical gestalt seems to be good enough that I think that I don't have to do anything with my ogeima yet, and I can keep marking out territory on the lower side and aiming to connect toward the center.
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:55 am
by EdLee
Joaz Banbeck wrote: $$W
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$$W
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:27 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wcm11c
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not what i expected...
really?
I will carry on with my prediction.
he is planning to peep and peep?
$$Wcm11c
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that double peep will not be good for black....
if he is thinking about the peep that is.....
after some thinking..i dont think i will answer his second peep.
so his correct sequence is reverse the peeping order....
which i dont think he will think that deep.
too many thoughts in my head...
afterall he might not even think about the peep..
i will save my energy and let him make his move then think about the situation.
- 
) is good for B,
, and then I threaten to make lots of territory in the lower left instead: