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Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:12 am
by ThetaHat
$$Bcm29
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Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:45 pm
by dfan
$$Wcm30
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Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:32 pm
by ThetaHat
$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:28 pm
by dfan
$$Wcm32 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:22 pm
by ThetaHat
$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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If I push the white stone now, I may not get the result I want since white urgently needs to build the center.
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1Even though white is forming a double wing, taking the 3-3 doesn't look good.
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1I could consider approaching from this side and then attacking the one white stone, but my base is too narrow, I don't like it.
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1If I approach from this side and get kicked, I can have a more efficient base. White's bottom isn't gonna make a lot of points because I can undercut the 4th line stones. I can even attack the marked group later.
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1If white pincers, which I think he should, I gonna fight like this.
$$Bcm1
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Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:02 pm
by dfan
I guess this game isn't very interesting, given that no spectators have made any comments yet.
$$Wcm34 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:06 pm
by ThetaHat
Maybe it is because our ranks are too low?
$$Bcm35 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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Going to the corner looks bad, especially when the marked stone is on the 4th line...White can just keep pushing and completely seal me in.
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1I am planning for something like this...
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1White is very thick on the top, so I need to get out to the center.
$$Bcm11
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11This double hane is very big...
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1Edit: I added more comments to my moves
Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:34 pm
by hyperpape
I wonder if a higher pincer would have worked better here, and left Black fewer options to prioritize the outside.
$$Wcm34 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm34 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0But this variation looks like it might lead to White being a bit over-concentrated?
$$Wcm34 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:58 pm
by kex
Use thickness to attack! I still probably shouldn't be too happy about recent developments, but at least this continuation fits my narrative, and all of my stones have a meaning.
How come this is using thickness to attack? I don't understand. To me, this would be more like using thickness to attack:
$$Wcm34 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm34 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0If black makes a too long extension with 37, white would comfortably invade in between, so white would get more.
Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:55 am
by daal
dfan wrote: $$Wcm12
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm12I don't like this white move. The problem with it is that it invites the black response at c16, leaving white in a position where his head is bumped. This also creates the possibility for the uncomfortable "bear hug" that takes place later when b plays d18.
Edit: unhiding this as it has no effect on the game.
Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:59 pm
by dfan
@daal:
As you can see from the fact that I changed my mind about the followup one move later, I had second thoughts too.
I thought that the move I chose was part of a joseki (if you ignore the extra exchange at G17/G16), but I could definitely be wrong (or it could be inappropriate here).
Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:26 pm
by dfan
$$Wcm36 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:07 pm
by ThetaHat
$$Bcm37 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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I guess this is the only move. This seems like an overplay for white.
$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1It looks fine for me, at least in these two variations.
Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:54 am
by dfan
$$Wcm38 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:34 pm
by ThetaHat
$$Bcm39 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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Let's count how many points I got after I play the driving tesuji.
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Top left: 24
Top right: 6
Bottom left: 21
Bottom right: 12
Total: 63 points
White can surround 60 points in the center but I doubt he can do that without giving me more points on the side.
I thought that the move I chose was part of a joseki (if you ignore the extra exchange at G17/G16), but I could definitely be wrong (or it could be inappropriate here).