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Re: AlphaGo- Whatever You Do Is Wrong
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:36 pm
by dankenzon
Stefany93 wrote:
Neat! (no pun intended)
I also found this one -
http://senseis.xmp.net/?AlphaGo Second headline talks about the algorithm, soooooooo... Alpha Go, you are busted
Joking aside, since AlphaGo was built on the NEAT principle with neural networks and what not, it proves its superiority to chess - in which chess programs merely store billions of games and just put the move with the highest chance of success.
I suppose what they did was feed the programs millions of pro games and its gradually developed a style to beat them, as @dankenzon suggested.
Finally, that second header is innacurate in the sense that, there's no algorithm for selecting moves. What they mention there are the mechanism used to implement "artificial brain" able to learn and find solutions. That's what they did.
Re: AlphaGo- Whatever You Do Is Wrong
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:39 pm
by dankenzon
Stefany93 wrote:dankenzon wrote:Stefany93 wrote:I wonder if they made the algorithm public yet?
They won't. Because there's no algorith. AlphaGo is a virtual brain. It learned and developed its own style.
Yeah... If that was possible we would be dead already by SkyNet.
There we go...
https://deepmind.com/blog/deepmind-ai-r ... g-bill-40/
or TL;DR
"...which is why we are excited to share that by applying DeepMind’s machine learning to our own Google data centres, we’ve managed to reduce the amount of energy we use for cooling by up to 40 percent. In any large scale energy-consuming environment, this would be a huge improvement. Given how sophisticated Google’s data centres are already, it’s a phenomenal step forward."
They feed the engine, it learns and it develops better way to manage energy.
Re: AlphaGo- Whatever You Do Is Wrong
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:53 pm
by Anzu
Not entirely true, actually
Re: AlphaGo- Whatever You Do Is Wrong
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:33 pm
by gowan
The statement "everything you do is wrong" prompted me to remember attending a session at a Go Congress where a 6p asked for game records to analyze. Someone handed up a game record and the pro looked it over and said he didn't want to discuss this game because almost every move was a mistake. And I also remembe rwhen I first stared playing go, some 50 years ago, and my first regular partner was an amateur shodan; I had a strong feeling that everything I did was wrong.
Re: AlphaGo- Whatever You Do Is Wrong
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:11 pm
by dankenzon
gowan wrote:The statement "everything you do is wrong" prompted me to remember attending a session at a Go Congress where a 6p asked for game records to analyze. Someone handed up a game record and the pro looked it over and said he didn't want to discuss this game because almost every move was a mistake. And I also remembe rwhen I first stared playing go, some 50 years ago, and my first regular partner was an amateur shodan; I had a strong feeling that everything I did was wrong.
It's sad to find people like that.
Once a I met a very strong player from europe in Japan... he asked me for a game and asked me how strong are you? I was barely 6k then. He just made a disdain face and asked me to move out from the goban while making gestures with his hands.
I just told him F%$# U#@
Re: AlphaGo- Whatever You Do Is Wrong
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:14 pm
by Ulquiorra
I have also felt the "everything you do is wrong". The proverb to find bravery is "even a 9dan can't live with one eye". Maybe now the proverb is " even AlphaGo can't live with one eye".
Re: AlphaGo- Whatever You Do Is Wrong
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:28 am
by wineandgolover
Not sure where to post this, here or the "Who's playing in Tygem?" thread.
Anyway, I made another AlphaGo video in which I talk about a few things I appreciate about its play. I hope you enjoy it. I've also included some variations and ideas from Jennie Shen, 2P. Please let me know your thoughts.