Is today relax day or not, I'm confused
Can I have calendar of the whole MLily cup?
Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
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Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
pookpooi wrote:Is today relax day or not, I'm confused
Can I have calendar of the whole MLily cup?
No games today, 2nd round is tomorrow. Assuming it follows a similar schedule to the previous edition 3rd and 4th round will be in a month or two, with semi-final around November and final around end/new year.
Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
pookpooi wrote:Is today relax day or not, I'm confused
Can I have calendar of the whole MLily cup?
According to Chinese wikipedia (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A2%A6 ... 0%E8%B5%9B):
1. round - 19. June
2. round - 21. June
3. round - 24. August
4. round - 26. August
Semifinal - 17., 19. and 20. November
Final - 30. December 2017 - 5. January 2018
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Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
ez4u wrote:Noooo!
Neither my eight-year-old monitor nor my 64-year-old eyes handle contrast as well as they used to. Wolfking's list is much clearer for me.
1. Huang Xin 4p (CN) vs Moon Yoobyeong (a, KR)
2. Zhang Xuan 8p (CN) vs Stephanie Yin 1p (US)
3. Choi Cheolhan 9p (KR) vs Yin Qu 1p (CN)
4. Park Chongyoo (a, KR) vs Lee Sedol 9p (KR)
5. Yang Dingxin 5p (CN) vs Chen Yaoye 9p (CN)
6. Cheng Honghao 2p (CN) vs Ryan Li 1p (CA)
7. Lian Xiao 8p (CN) vs Tong Mengcheng 6p (CN)
8. Park Yeonghun 9p (KR) vs Li Biqi 3p (CN)
9. An Joyeong 9p (KR) vs Chen Zijian 4p (CN)
10. Han Seungjoo 4p (KR) vs Lu Minquan 4p (CN)
11. Han Taehee 6p (KR) vs Mi Yuting 9p (CN)
12. Zhao Yifei 1p (CN) vs Fan Yunruo 6p (CN)
13. Wang Haoyang 6p (CN) vs Shin Jinseo 8p (KR)
14. Shin Minjun 5p (KR) vs DeepZenGo (JP, AI)
15. Tang Weixing 9p (CN) vs Cho Namjun (a, KR)
16. Tan Xiao 8p (CN) vs Park Chingrui (a, KR)
17. Yu Zhengqi 7p (JP) vs Gao Yu 3p (CN)
18. Ilya Shinkshin 1p (RU) vs He Yang 1p (CN)
19. Xu Jiayang 6p (CN) vs Huang Jingyuan 3p (CN)
20. Kang Yootaek 8p (KR) vs Ke Jie 9p (CN)
21. Gu Zihao 5p (CN) vs Xie Ke 3p (CN)
22. Li Zhe 6p (CN) vs Li Xiangyu 4p (CN)
23. Ahn Kukhyun 8p (KR) vs Guo Yuzheng 5p (CN)
24. Lee Jihyun 6p (KR) vs Li Xuanhao 6p (CN)
25. Kono Rin 9p (JP) vs Tao Xinran 6p (CN)
26. Xiao Zhenghao 9p (TW) vs Rong Yi 5p (CN)
27. Dang Yifei 9p (CN) vs Wang Tao 6p (CN)
28. Takao Shinji 9p (JP) vs Jiang Weijie 9p (CN)
29. Liao Yuanhe 5p (CN) vs Mateusz Surma 1p (PL)
30. Kang Dongyun 9p (KR) vs Na Hyun 6p (KR)
31. Park Junghwan 9p (KR) vs Tuo Jiaxi 9p (CN)
32. Zhou Ruiyang 9p (CN) vs Ma Yichao 4p (CN)
Better?
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Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
In case DeepZen go to the next round which will be held in November will they use the current version and hardware?
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Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Bohdan wrote:In case DeepZen go to the next round which will be held in November will they use the current version and hardware?
Next round will be held in August, but yeah, they can use an improved version by rule.
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Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Bohdan wrote:In case DeepZen go to the next round which will be held in November will they use the current version and hardware?
No they will always use the latest bestest
Joke aside Kato Hideki did say that if DeepZenGo get into round of 16 he will be more confident to face Ke Jie because DZG will have more time to develop, so it appears they will be using a new version.-
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Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
I think using an upgraded version isn't fair, even if DeepZenGo doesn't share the rate of improvement of Alpha Go.
If the rule allows this, now I tend to agree with Ke Jie that bot shouldn't participate in human tournament.
If the rule allows this, now I tend to agree with Ke Jie that bot shouldn't participate in human tournament.
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Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
wolfking wrote:Bohdan wrote:In case DeepZen go to the next round which will be held in November will they use the current version and hardware?
No they will always use the latest bestest
kimidori wrote:I think using an upgraded version isn't fair, even if DeepZenGo doesn't share the rate of improvement of Alpha Go.
I agree that the program that enters the tournament should play the whole tournament. On the same or equivalent hardware, OC. A new, improved version is a different program, IMO. Even if the rules allow development, Hideki should stick with the same program throughout.
FWIW, I had hoped that DeepZenGo would win this tournament, and then that would be the last time that a computer program would be allowed to enter it. But if it does so with a new version, that would leave a bad taste in my mouth.
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Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
I think this should be the last human tournament that has AI participate in it regardless of the outcome.
But I'm not the one who pay the money to the winner, to run the event, so... I'll just watch it quietly here
But I'm not the one who pay the money to the winner, to run the event, so... I'll just watch it quietly here
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Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
My initial feeling was also against letting bots use their latest version in tournaments that span a long time, but I suppose the humans are allowed to improve too (but not replace themselves with their twin/child/friend, so to what extent is a new version of DeepZen the same entity?).
Anyway, the opening of Chen Zijian vs. An Joyeong was rather puzzling to me. Following black's knight move at 19 An cut at 20, which is a standard thing to do in the local shape.
Later An pushed at 28 below, so Chen obviously played 29 in sente and white's shape suffered. Isn't it better for white to play at 29 himself first: if black blocks we usually think that's a good exchange as it means black can't increase his eyespace in sente like he did in the game, and means white can live by connecting there instead of crawling for ever, which also means black's corner isn't alive (locally it's a ko, but p2 hane and connect is sente for cutting point). Did An not like black ignoring and blocking at 28 if he played at 29? Taking the corner is ok isn't it? Maybe An meant to play there first but did the 1-2-3 mistake of imagining he had played the 1-2 exchange when he hadn't and playing 3 straight away? Or if white had previously cut at q7 (but here black has ladder) then crawling instead makes sense because if black plays in the corner then you can play one or more ataris to come up off the second line in sente before connecting.
So what happened is An had to crawl, and then played the descent. Apparently this was sente as black answered, I didn't yet read how to win the semeai if black turns on the outside instead. If white can get this point to stop black from living here (like what normally happens) I can see that is a plus for white.
And then he jumped and crawled on the 2nd line some more, and eventually black came back to live. Isn't this an utter failure for white, with the kind of 2nd line crawl we scold 20 kyus for playing? I know AlphaGo famously crawled on the 2nd line against Park Junghwan, but this seems far worse than that, the black wall is hardly weak (though there is gap at a and cut at b to exploit). An then jumped out at 52, which is the move he probably wanted to do before starting all this sequence, and does somewhat reduce the influence of the huge wall he just gave to black. Thinking about the evaluation from Park's game, white has 7 real points (though the group died from a ko threat later), and black doesn't have many real points yet (top right corner fairly open with that peep stone and open on 1st line), but he only needs to get a territory of width 1 along the Q column next to his wall to get as many as white did.
Anyway, the opening of Chen Zijian vs. An Joyeong was rather puzzling to me. Following black's knight move at 19 An cut at 20, which is a standard thing to do in the local shape.
Later An pushed at 28 below, so Chen obviously played 29 in sente and white's shape suffered. Isn't it better for white to play at 29 himself first: if black blocks we usually think that's a good exchange as it means black can't increase his eyespace in sente like he did in the game, and means white can live by connecting there instead of crawling for ever, which also means black's corner isn't alive (locally it's a ko, but p2 hane and connect is sente for cutting point). Did An not like black ignoring and blocking at 28 if he played at 29? Taking the corner is ok isn't it? Maybe An meant to play there first but did the 1-2-3 mistake of imagining he had played the 1-2 exchange when he hadn't and playing 3 straight away? Or if white had previously cut at q7 (but here black has ladder) then crawling instead makes sense because if black plays in the corner then you can play one or more ataris to come up off the second line in sente before connecting.
So what happened is An had to crawl, and then played the descent. Apparently this was sente as black answered, I didn't yet read how to win the semeai if black turns on the outside instead. If white can get this point to stop black from living here (like what normally happens) I can see that is a plus for white.
And then he jumped and crawled on the 2nd line some more, and eventually black came back to live. Isn't this an utter failure for white, with the kind of 2nd line crawl we scold 20 kyus for playing? I know AlphaGo famously crawled on the 2nd line against Park Junghwan, but this seems far worse than that, the black wall is hardly weak (though there is gap at a and cut at b to exploit). An then jumped out at 52, which is the move he probably wanted to do before starting all this sequence, and does somewhat reduce the influence of the huge wall he just gave to black. Thinking about the evaluation from Park's game, white has 7 real points (though the group died from a ko threat later), and black doesn't have many real points yet (top right corner fairly open with that peep stone and open on 1st line), but he only needs to get a territory of width 1 along the Q column next to his wall to get as many as white did.
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Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
Uberdude wrote:Anyway, the opening of Chen Zijian vs. An Joyeong was rather puzzling to me. Following black's knight move at 19 An cut at 20, which is a standard thing to do in the local shape.
Later An pushed at 28 below, so Chen obviously played 29 in sente and white's shape suffered. Isn't it better for white to play at 29 himself first: if black blocks we usually think that's a good exchange as it means black can't increase his eyespace in sente like he did in the game, and means white can live by connecting there instead of crawling for ever, which also means black's corner isn't alive (locally it's a ko, but p2 hane and connect is sente for cutting point). Did An not like black ignoring and blocking at 28 if he played at 29? Taking the corner is ok isn't it? Maybe An meant to play there first but did the 1-2-3 mistake of imagining he had played the 1-2 exchange when he hadn't and playing 3 straight away? Or if white had previously cut at q7 (but here black has ladder) then crawling instead makes sense because if black plays in the corner then you can play one or more ataris to come up off the second line in sente before connecting.
Maybe white was afraid of black's turn at white
? It seems not so easy for white to capture the black corner cleanly.-
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Re: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th
xiayun wrote:Apparently Ryan Li and Stephanie Yin just got married.
I heard that too on the AGA stream, but as they only announced their engagement on facebook a week ago I wonder if that got Chinese-whispered into already married, or maybe they did have a very short engagment.
Some results:
- Ryan Li beat Chen Yaoye !!!!!!!!!!
Huge congratulations
Probably the biggest ever upset by a Western player, over Hans beating Yoda, Dinerstein beating O Rissei or Aguilar's wins.- Zen lost! so our musings about changing version are moot
- Ke Jie won fairly quickly with a big kill
- Japan out.
- Park Junghwan, Lee Sedol, Tan Xiao through, Choi's winning streak ends after huge fighting vs Lee.
1. Huang Xin 4p (CN) vs Zhang Xuan 8p (CN)
2. Choi Cheolhan 9p (KR) vs Lee Sedol 9p (KR)
3. Chen Yaoye 9p (CN) vs Ryan Li 1p (CA)
4. Tong Mengcheng 6p (CN) vs Park Yeonghun 9p (KR)
5. Chen Zijian 4p (CN) vs Lu Minquan 4p (CN)
6. Han Taehee 6p (KR) vs Fan Yunruo 6p (CN)
7. Wang Haoyang 6p (CN) vs DeepZenGo (JP, AI)
8. Tang Weixing 9p (CN) vs Tan Xiao 8p (CN)
9. Gao Yu 3p (CN) vs He Yang 1p (CN)
10. Huang Jingyuan 3p (CN) vs Ke Jie 9p (CN)
11. Xie Ke 3p (CN) vs Li Zhe 6p (CN)
12. Guo Yuzheng 5p (CN) vs Li Xuanhao 6p (CN)
13. Kono Rin 9p (JP) vs Rong Yi 5p (CN)
14. Wang Tao 6p (CN) vs Takao Shinji 9p (JP)
15. Liao Yuanhe 5p (CN) vs Na Hyun 8p (KR) N.B. Na 8p now
16. Park Junghwan 9p (KR) vs Zhou Ruiyang 9p (CN)