Life In 19x19

Posted: **Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:43 pm**

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Updated prisoners per Joaz's change

I am stubborn. Nothing dramatic has changed on the outside, so I still want that point.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc B: 9 W: 11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . B X O . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | 2 X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 1 O X . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

Just to demonstrate, we cannot kill black in the corner.
I compared 'a' with 'b' in my last post. Both are sente to attempt to kill those three stones. I explained before that I prefer 'a' because it makes the fight less complicated and I am more confident with it. I AM a bit tempted to take 'c' to look after our top group, but I would rather take 'a' in sente first. That should mostly settle the stuff in that region for us, if the top group lives.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc B: 9 W: 11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . B X O . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . 4 5 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . 7 X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . 8 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, so we may not live inside, but it seems like we can at least get out and stable. I don't like that top middle black wall, but black has more weak groups than we do, so it can't be too horrible. Anyways, we get something on the left to compensate.

The more we play, the more that top middle stone Violence plays gets annoying =P

Posted: **Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:44 am**

Posted: **Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:00 am**

I don't approve.

I am about to put foward some major ideas; they will be heard and pondered. If not all of them please, surely a few will in some sort, then, I shall have contributed to the progress of our age, and shall be content.

Dang! We appear to have a misunderstanding here. I infer that Terr believes that I changed the move solely because of ordering: that we should play D18 first, then come back to D12. Whereas I am not all that pleased with D12.

There is a direction of play issue here. Some groups have multiple directions to go. Others have only one. Let's look at them.

The marked group has two possible directions. It can go low, like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc B: 9 W: 11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X @ . . . S S . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X @ @ . S S . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X @ @ . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I consider this to be appallingly submissive. It gets us very little territory, and it allows Black's three floating stones to loosely connect with his pincer stone at H16.

It can also go out into the middle like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc B: 9 W: 11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X @ @ . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X @ @ . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . S . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . S . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now black's stones are separated. Their pincer stone is vulnerable to a white play at 'a'. Their three floating stones can extend with 'b' but we happily play 'c'. Not only is this bad for black on general principles in that they are pushing the cart, but in this particular position it is even worse for them as we get closer to the crucial stone at D7.
Beginners: see http://senseis.xmp.net/?PushingTheCartFromBehind

Black's three marked stones also have two directions. They can go south:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc B: 9 W: 11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . a O # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 4 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As noted above, this sequence is good for white. White gets territory ( 'a' is sente any time white wants it ) and white connects to the D7 stone. Black gets influence, but is in danger of becoming eyeless and heavy. White can start a double attack with 'b'.

Their proper direction, IMHO, is the shape move around F14, or something similar:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc B: 9 W: 11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O # . S . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O # . S S . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This starts forming eye shape. begins a connection to a neighboring black stone, and threatens to lock white in.

The next group to consider is the west side white group. It has two possible directions of play. It can turn like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc B: 9 W: 11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X @ X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . @ X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . @ X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . @ S . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Or it can extend like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc B: 9 W: 11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X @ X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . @ X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . @ X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . S . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . S , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Both seem good. Both strengthen the connection to the D7 stone, and both impair the health of the three floating black stones.

In summary, we have a group that has one good direction and one bad direction, and we have a group that has two good directions. Choosing a direction for the second group is no problem - we'll be relatively happy either way. We don't have to choose right now.
But we do have to make sure that the first group does not get forced into a bad direction. This makes it far more urgent. Conveniently, when we play in the proper direction, it interferes with black's preferred direction. Getting to G14 - or nearby - first is important to both sides.

So I choose to remove younger brother's move, and play in the proper direction off of the upper group. I'm not sure exactly where I will play, but it will probably be one of the moves marked below.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc B: 9 W: 11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . S S . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . S . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I hope to make a move later tonight.

Posted: **Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:41 am**

Posted: **Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:57 am**

Posted: **Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:54 pm**

all you guys are nuts... entertaining, but nuts

Posted: **Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:39 pm**

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:01 am**

Sorry about the delay. This is more complex than I expected.

I can analyze one of the lines quickly:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc B: 9 W: 11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This turns out to be too slow. Black locks white in easily.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc B: 9 W: 11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . 1 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . 9 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 5 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:31 am**

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:55 pm**

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:31 pm**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc B: 11 W: 11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is just taking too long. I have other things to do ( or at least that is what my wife and the IRS tell me. ) So I'm truncating my decision process and playing F14.

We are going to get into some serious fighting here. Both lines ( F14 and G15 ) are complex, and every time I think that I have reached a position that is conclusively good for one side or the other, I look a few moves deeper and the position is uncertain or even contadictory. I'm better at direction of play analysis than I am at reading. So I'm throwing in the towel, choosing a move based on something other than deep reading, and Shapenaji reads better than I and can change to the other move if he wants to. ( Note that I am not even considering the idea that he might restore D12. The direction of play is too compelling. If he does restore it, he is making a mistake. )

The issue that finally decides it for me is the follow up connecting move. Since the direction that I have choosen is so important, we must be able to connect when things get rough. Let's see what those connecting moves look like.

For G15, shown below, the solid moves, a and b, do nothing but connect. Move c does short black on a valuable liberty, but it is not solid. Move d is not solid, and it attaches to a weak stone.
Beginners: see http://senseis.xmp.net/?Attach

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O a d X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X c b W . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Whereas, with F14, when a connection is neccesary, we can play E15:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It cuts down on the black liberties, and it is a strong connection. So I choose F14.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:52 pm**

Not approved, I'm going with this:

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W:11 B:12

Joaz's picked the two moves I was thinking about, but I think there's a flaw in the one he chose, I don't think we can get around the shoulder hit, unfortunately.

if we play Joaz's move, I see this happening

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black now plays "a" and kills

And we end up losing the 5 stones on top, we get a wall for it, but it's not a good enough wall imho.

the alternative:

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and although we can live with "a" we're giving black a lot of power and our first move has now lost its meaning.

hence, we need to go with this, and get our fight going, black can get a little strength, but he's going to have a running fight on his hands, and we should still get a chance to counter-pincer.

assuming black makes the 1-2 exchange (which increases the power against our top stones)

I think the following moves are possibilities

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black isn't strong enough for 'a' yet (we can play 'b', and if he plays "c", we get to atari and push through his stones. "b" is an interesting move, but I think if we just cut the knights move we'll be fine in the upcoming fight. "c" allows us to respond simply with "a", and the natural "d" induces us to attack his stones by just extending

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:09 pm**

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:44 pm**

shapenaji wrote:Not approved, I'm going with this:

Thank you. When the game gets far enough along, please unhide your comments. I want to see how you made this decision.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:50 pm**

Man, this game is awesome =). I have to keep reassuring myself that no move I make can cost more than 3 points to my team. That way, when I see my moves get replaced, I get excited about what's happening, instead of feeling bad for my error.

Life In 19x19

Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

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Move 28B - Part 2

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Move #28B - final part

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