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Re: Tsumego - dead, but WHY??

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:46 am
by Knotwilg
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[go]$$B Black captures the white stones
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | X X X X X . .
$$ | O O O O X . .
$$ | O 1 O O X . .
$$ ---------------[/go]
In this diagram, :b1: removes the last liberty of these 7 white stones. By the rule of capture, the white stones are removed from the board.
This is what we mean by Black captures the white stones.
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[go]$$B Black kills White
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | X X X X X . .
$$ | O O O O X . .
$$ | . 1 . O X . .
$$ ---------------[/go]
Black :b1: kills the white stones, because their eyespace is reduced to 1 eye.
Black :b1: does not capture the white stones, because they still have two liberties. In fact ...
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[go]$$B From kill to capture - 1
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | X X X X X . .
$$ | O O O O X . .
$$ | 2 X 1 O X . .
$$ ---------------[/go]
If next Black decides to capture the white stones, reducing their liberties to 1, the maneuver needs to go in 3 steps.
After :b1: White can capture the two stones at :w2:.
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[go]$$B From kill to capture - 2
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | X X X X X . .
$$ | O O O O X . .
$$ | O 3 4 O X . .
$$ ---------------[/go]
In the resulting position, :b3: again goes for capture, but again White can postpone being captured, by capturing herself at :w4:
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[go]$$B From kill to capture - 3
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | X X X X X . .
$$ | O O O O X . .
$$ | O 5 O O X . .
$$ ---------------[/go]
Finally White has only one liberty left and Black :b5:captures all 7 stones, as in the very first diagram.

The whole sequence of mutual captures goes to show that Black has originally killed White, in the second diagram.

Now what did I mean with worry free?

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[go]$$B Black kills White
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O O O O .
$$ | X X X X X O .
$$ | O O O O X . .
$$ | . 1 . O X . .
$$ ---------------[/go]
Just like in diagram 2, Black :b1: killes White by reducing the eyespace to 1 eye. However, Black is not worry free: the black chain has 3 liberties, against White's 2 inside. Black is ahead in the capturing race but needs to be mindful of his small advantage.
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[go]$$B Counting liberties
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O O O O .
$$ | X X X X X O .
$$ | O O O O X 2 .
$$ | . 1 3 O X . .
$$ ---------------[/go]
When White :w2: reduces Black to 2 liberties, it's not sufficient for Black to have killed the white stones in the corner. He must set out to effectively capture them, starting with :b3: as in the above sequence of captures.

If there's anything unclear about the above, ask freely.

Re: Tsumego - dead, but WHY??

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:55 am
by Uberdude
The Go terminology is a bit counter-intuitive: I would naturally think killed/dead is a more fatal/worse outcome than captured, but in go killed stones are still on the board and not captured yet (so can still have aji). But captured stones are totally gone.

Re: Tsumego - dead, but WHY??

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:00 am
by Tryss
I guess that, for go players, capture is worse than death ! :rambo: never surrender ! :rambo: :lol: