[go]$$cmove 62 b:1 w:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . O . O O X . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . W O O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think he's trying to build up so he can attack my capping stone. I don't think I can give up these three stones and I think there's room for me to run/make a living group in the middle so I'm extending.
If his corner group gets sealed in it's not guaranteed to live so he needs to be careful about that. I need to watch out for my capping stone, it's starting to look lonely.
Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon
Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:11 pm
by xDragon
$$cmove 62 b:1 w:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . O . O O X . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . O O O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$cmove 56-58 b:1 w:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . W . O a . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move is no good because it neglects the 3-3 point, which is the vital point for taking away black's stability. It also does nothing to prevent the connection underneath at 'a'.
$$cmove 56-58 b:1 w:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . B X . X . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$cmove 56-58 b:1 w:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . O . O O X . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . O a O b . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is the oh-my-goodness-so-bad-why-why-why move. It's begging white to fix his weakness, both in the wedge at 'a' and the watari (connection) at 'b'.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . O . O O X . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . 2 O O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
This is a hard position, so hopefully the players can learn from this later on.
Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon
Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:40 pm
by fwiffo
What's remarkable is that both players are squeezing toothpaste in parallel. Usually one player squeezes the other into what would have been their territory. I didn't expect black to follow whites fluoridated mess with one of his own.
Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 2:09 am
by unkx80
So much ugly toothpaste. I don't know what to say.
(Fwiffo and others got there first. I am late in following this game.)
Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:11 pm
by Aphelion
Sorry XDragon, unless I unhide them, you probably shouldn't read my comments yet
Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:16 pm
by Dusk Eagle
fwiffo wrote:...fluoridated mess...
lol!
Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:56 pm
by Mosdefgo
fwiffo wrote:
I knew someone would post something like this.
Not for players until end of game:
I think that with a little more preperation, this could have been a very decent move. "Thats a huge moyo hes buildin thar". Although... it does have a lot of space to live in. If he thinks the upper group is going to be attacked then it most likely will, but whose to say the unexpected wont happen. It certainly has for me.
Dusk Eagle:
Im glad that I agreed with you on the move at P13. It shows that even I can think like a 1k at times.
Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 5:36 pm
by Perception
$$cmove 64 b:1 w:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . O . O O X . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . W O O O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$cmove 64 b:1 w:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . O . O O X . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . W O O O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I've invested already two moves to keep those stones from being captured, if I abandon them now those moves would have made him stronger for nothing. Extending again keeps those stones from being captured and seals his group in.
If he ignores it to take sente I can play 'a' which I think kills his corner group. As the game currently stands I also can still play one of 'b' through 'e' to reduce his moyo. I'm not sure all of those actually work, they're just possibilities I may consider.
$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . O . O O X . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . W O O O O a . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . e d . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X c . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X X . . . b . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . O . O O X . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . W O O O O a . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . e d . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X c . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X X . . . b . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I have a good amount of solid territory right now, around 50 - 60 points by my count. His moyo is very large but he has no actual territory yet so I have to make sure to reduce his moyo or I'll probably lose.
My internet was down over the weekend that's why I didn't post this sooner. Sorry for the delay.
Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 5:51 pm
by xDragon
$$cmove 65 b:1 w:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O O B . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . O . O O X . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . O O O O O . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$cmove 67 b:1 w:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . O . O O X . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . X X . X . B . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . O O O O O O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
still going... my plan is after im safe is to find a use for the wall below it, even though w likely to get in a bit on the right. not concerned about it.
Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 6:52 pm
by Perception
I think I have a lot of options here and I don't have time right now to think about all of them so I'm going to take a day or two to think about my next move.
Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:26 am
by daniel_the_smith
I count 45-50 for white if I'm *generous*; I'm not the best at counting but 60 seems way high...
