Life In 19x19

This thread is so awesome. I don't know how to explain this in words. I think he's very strong for being so young. I'd be afraid what would happen if he got into the habit of doing one go problem per day or something.

ketchup wrote:This thread is so awesome. I don't know how to explain this in words. I think he's very strong for being so young. I'd be afraid what would happen if he got into the habit of doing one go problem per day or something.

Well thats what im doing at the moment, i draw out a problem on a kifu, (mostly large scale captures) and i get him to point out were to go

he suprises me, tried to teach a girl how to play earlier today who is 17 and it took me roughly an hour to teach her the concept of capturing, its amazing what kids can do ..or maybe i just shouldnt teach

Tyson2011 wrote:he suprises me, tried to teach a girl how to play earlier today who is 17 and it took me roughly an hour to teach her the concept of capturing, its amazing what kids can do ..or maybe i just shouldnt teach

my wife was the same way, she just didnt understand the concept of a ladder.

its funny so see how we understand things on a higher level compaired to those who dont play.

must be the same for pro's

POGO wrote:Game 2 should be up in 5-10 mins

dude! you gotta give us more than 5 mins warning

I was just leaving work about that time, but I would have stayed longer to watch this game. This is awesome!

POGO wrote:Also if some of you have time, look up ECE book's (early childhood learning) as i took a corse for my psycology diploma and i have to say it has help quite a bit

I've always believed in early childhood learning just from watching my nephews and nieces and friend's kids before I had my own, but I usually got the impression that not too many others felt the same way. I could have done better with my kids, but was still quite proud that my oldest practically taught herself to read by age 4 (though I've since heard that's not entirely unusual).

My second, not to be outdone by her older sister was quite clever, pretending to read by memorizing the story on each page

I'll have to look up this book. Sounds interesting.

xed_over wrote:

POGO wrote:Game 2 should be up in 5-10 mins

dude! you gotta give us more than 5 mins warning

I was just leaving work about that time, but I would have stayed longer to watch this game. This is awesome!

Will try and do so, usually i can only give 5-10 mins in advance due to bath's/dinner/when his shows are done. but i will hopfull get him in a game on kgs tomarrow.

Edit: ok got my wife to make sure he had a bath before 9 pm tomarrow so he can play before shygost's lession at 10pm est
His account is "Minipogo" and i will make the game in the old Godisscussions room for anyone wishing to watch

This is incredible... 16 months? his first game on KGS, he played a peep! And then he jumped 1 space away from it... (It actually made me wonder if you were helping him there, but I believe you )

I think the fact that he's interested in it is probably the most amazing part. I don't agree with those who say that having a teaching regimen to a child is a bad thing, I think the obsessive parent thing comes in if other things are being neglected utterly (social situations, school, etc...) or if the child really dislikes the study (This doesn't mean "is not in the mood", kids won't always like to practice something, piano for example, even if they like the instrument. It's the job of the parent to differentiate between "I don't want to play", and "I don't want to play today", and teach the child to keep at something that they like, even if it gets hard at times.)

I wouldn't put too high expectations on him though, otherwise, the moment he doesn't hit a milestone that you set for him, he might quit. Expectations and goals are good, but keep them reasonable and only use short term goals, he'll be happier if he's always succeeding.

Wow, that's quite impressive. It really shows that once you understand liberties you can go quite far. That's what holds back most of the adults I've taught.

My dad taught me chess when I was six. I think I won our second or third game (he probably wasn't trying too hard). I wish I'd learned go at that age...

daniel_the_smith wrote:It really shows that once you understand liberties you can go quite far. That's what holds back most of the adults I've taught.

Please explain.

POGO wrote:

Phelan wrote:He's playing pretty well!

But shouldn't he be playing mostly 9x9?

I never played 9x9 when i started, so im trying the same with him.

Ah, ok.
Just remember that if he gets too tired and/or bored from a game, smaller sizes finish faster, and don't bore so much.

POGO wrote:

Hmm.. he's too young to use the mouse. He points, daddy clicks?

I have a touch screen computer he uses to play go.

This just in: "iPad owners found to have go child prodigies at home!"

This thread is really awesome.

tj86430 wrote:

daniel_the_smith wrote:It really shows that once you understand liberties you can go quite far. That's what holds back most of the adults I've taught.

Please explain.

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are examples of moves that you don't make once you really internalize the concept of liberties, and are examples of moves you only make once once you understand liberties.

It's about being able to look a board and just *see* that these stones or those stones have 4, 3, 2, or 1 liberties left. I dunno, it makes sense in my head.

daniel_the_smith wrote:

tj86430 wrote:

daniel_the_smith wrote:It really shows that once you understand liberties you can go quite far. That's what holds back most of the adults I've taught.

Please explain.

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are examples of moves that you don't make once you really internalize the concept of liberties, and are examples of moves you only make once once you understand liberties.

It's about being able to look a board and just *see* that these stones or those stones have 4, 3, 2, or 1 liberties left. I dunno, it makes sense in my head.

this is why for the most part im focuing on teaching adrian about liberties. and all about them.

daniel_the_smith wrote:

tj86430 wrote:

daniel_the_smith wrote:It really shows that once you understand liberties you can go quite far. That's what holds back most of the adults I've taught.

Please explain.

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are examples of moves that you don't make once you really internalize the concept of liberties, and are examples of moves you only make once once you understand liberties.

It's about being able to look a board and just *see* that these stones or those stones have 4, 3, 2, or 1 liberties left. I dunno, it makes sense in my head.

Ok, thanks. I learned go about 27 years ago, and I don't remember whether that was difficult or easy for me to grasp. Now it seems strange that someone wouldn't grasp it, but OTOH I haven't tried to teach go to anyone.

tj86430 wrote:Ok, thanks. I learned go about 27 years ago, and I don't remember whether that was difficult or easy for me to grasp. Now it seems strange that someone wouldn't grasp it, but OTOH I haven't tried to teach go to anyone.

Oh yeah... just start trying to teach a few adult beginners. It can be quite unbelievable that they just don't see an atari. It seems so obvious. And I too don't remember when I couldn't see them either (but looking at old game records, clearly I missed a few ; and it took me a while to move from 25k to 19k )

When I play Capture Go with beginners, I try to warn them up front, "you won't capture me. so just try not to get captured." I've already changed my intro to Capture Go from "first one to capture wins" to "first one to get captured loses". It still doesn't help. But I want them to see an atari before moving on to regular Go on larger boards.

With little kids, I don't have to try so hard. Often I can skip capture go altogether. But step one is still being able to see when you've run out of liberties

Iiii believe the children are our future, Teach them well and let them lead the way, Show'em all the beauty the possess insi-ii-ide.

I'm just excited to see where the game will go here in North America, and Western Europe, as more players are attracted to the game. The level of play can only go up-- and, it will as people who've learned it as adults teach the younger generation. Thankfully, I don't think it will develop the same reputation it has in Japan, as an old person's game, since, most in N.America who've heard of it, found it online.