Gang Malkovich 1: Magicwand vs the Gang of Five

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:48 pm

My suggestion for move 6:

My suggestion is R5:

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If he tries to get too agressive, he will find himslef overstretched like this:

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A small pincer would be insipid:

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and a standard corner extension allows us a strong group while his side stone is floating:

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Organizational thoughts:

mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:18 am

@Joaz

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:27 am

for obs only:

i believe i can give 2 stone or more to everyone except topazg.
but if i play to win..i believe i can give him 2 stone also.(although he has more chance to win)
i will try my best to win this game. i am used to playing crazy handycap game for money so this is nothing new.

comment so far:
my marked white stone is unusual approach designed for out boxing.
if you want to be strong at handycap game ...avoid black's attack much as possible in the beginning and build your influence and thickness. that influence will give you chance to grab the flow.
i want to avoid their attack much as possible and that one more space will do just that.

also i want to be attacking his group much as possible.
all i need is one flow that will turn this game around.

once i reach close to even game...i will not let go of few point lead.

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daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:34 am

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:29 am

I'll go with the majority:

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daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:33 am

For observers, The "gang's" thoughts:

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:39 am

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I am sort of surprised that nobody mentioned these plays.

I like the actual move.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:42 am

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i expect the below variation.
it will make things more complicated for black (and also white)
they might not play :b8:

and play something else...

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Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:43 am

My sealed plan.

Edit: Great minds think alike.

Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:59 am

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:39 pm

Dusk Eagle wrote:
Then one evening Kitabatake came to us with an interesting proposal. 'There's a Japanese Go master passing through Berlin, a professor of mathematics on his way to London as an exchange professor. Would you like to play him?' 'Of course we would.' Lasker replied, 'and I'll play him in consultation with my brother Berthold, if you don't think he'll mind?' 'Of course he won't.' 'Well' continued Lasker, 'do you think he'll give us a handicap?' "Certainly', laughed Kitbatake. 'And how many stones?' 'Nine of course.' 'That's impossible', Lasker replied decisively. 'The man in the world who can give me nine stones and beat me doesn't exist!' Kitabatake just smiled, and soon we found ourselves at the Japanese club playing the master on nine stones.

No matter how long we took to plot our combinations the master never took more than a tenth of a second for his reply, and he beat us terrifically. I don't think we had a single live group at game's end.

Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:03 pm

@Joaz

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:19 pm

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Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:20 pm

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Dusk Eagle: So, I propose 'a'. It moves out and keeps white's groups separated. I had also thought about 'b', but the shape seems a lot weaker - Magicwand could peep at our shape and it would have some serious holes.

topazg: Me too, and this is exactly why I wanted it before, albeit the wrong move order at the time.

daniel the smith: It's hard for me to imagine something other than a here.

JoazBanbeck: I agree.

Kirby: I think that a is the only move. On a related note, maybe we can consider what we have in store for us. I am almost certain that he will try to put pressure on our single stone with something like F16/17 or G16/17 (there is a small chance he might play M13 next to get more strength, but I doubt it). I wonder what we might do against this attack.

Joaz beat me to the diagram by a split second :razz:

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:19 pm

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