105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)

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Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)

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Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)

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Hidden until later, then for Mnemonic:
In your last (6th) variation for :b11::
Mnemonic wrote:
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[go]$$Bm11 better shape?
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How about:
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Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)

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I was getting nervous. I actually think my move 14 was a mistake and I should have connected at b15. This move is now double sente and will destroy his shape.

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Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)

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I have to keep white seperated, otherwise my position collapses. I expect something like this.
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"Cutting? Killing? Poking out eyes? What the hell are you playing?"
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Re: 105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)

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Observers.
I was getting nervous. I actually think my move 14 was a mistake and I should have connected at b15. This move is now double sente and will destroy his shape.


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I'd probably play this way. The empty triangle is just too ugly..
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Forced. Now he has to protect a cut. I haven't started reading yet so I am not sure which cuts work. The shape is strange.
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No choice really. Can't play E3 ;-) I'm trying to decide when the is time for me to play Q6, but I think this corner is more important and will stay so for a while
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I want to push once then jump.
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Loger comment concerning my play at Q6 coming up later. Right now I have to live. First I wanted to play F8, but G7 would be very sente, now it's just a forcing move.
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Profit before running? I'll think about why I played this move later. It feels different but very right.
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Warning: rambling thought


For the first time in my go career I've actually studied some Professional games and one thing I've noticed is that they tend to play forcing moves in very peculiar situations (like when they really have to protect a cut). I'll try to incorporate that into my game.

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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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I've previously stated that I really want (a) Now normally I would just have to rely on getting sente or tenuki early and leave a weakness. I'll now try tenuking now to play that forcing move and then come back to protect my floating group. The first thing I have to decide is if (a) is aji-keshi or not, and if it is big enough that white needs to answer.
My other options instead of (a) are (b) and (c).
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[go]$$Bcm21 one way street with (a)
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The theory behind (a) is that I can build strength by attacking :wx: and then bend and attack the marked white stones strongly. This looks ok on paper, but I'm not very happy with it. :b3: might or might not be sente but my biggest problem is that I don't really see a way to gain by attacking the :wc: stones. I don't think white will die and with my fuseki I can't really use center influence.
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[go]$$Bcm23 one way street with (a)
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(c) looks more promising. I can gain territory on both sides while white is running to the center. I don't think white will try attaching at (x) because :bc: are too tight. Unfortunately this sequence ends in gote for me so the F5 group will come under heavy attack :(
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[go]$$Bcm23 one way street with (a)
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This looks eerily similar to the taisha joseki of which I know nothing, but just playing around with it, the :bc: stone always looks kind of wasted. Guess I'll be playing (c)
Now the hard question: what am I doing with my left group. :bx: was a stupid move but at least it forced :wx: as far as I can read the group cannot be captured in a net or something similar, but if white get's another move in it is going to be a bumpy ride. Also the white stones can get 2 eyes by capturing the F3 stones so there aren't any sente moves I can play to get out. :(
While I was teaching the game to a friend of mine, my mother from the other room:
"Cutting? Killing? Poking out eyes? What the hell are you playing?"
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Not a good time to tenuki by black. r7 is a big move, and the follow up at q6 is another big move but it's not urgent. One stone is not a weak group, whereas there are two weak-ish groups on the left side of the board. That's what I'm interested in.
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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I had briefly though about that move and concluded that he cannot kill me. Let's hope I'm right! :-? I don't like that he tenukied from my last play: let’s take a look at some alternative moves.
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[go]$$Bcm25 Playing like this would give white 50 point and me about 30\n can’t let that happen
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I really hope he doesn't gain too much from this attack.

Mnemonic wrote:The problem is, most of my moves result in an shapeless, eyeless, floating group for black. :sad:

Damn!
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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I want to kill the X stone on a large scale, but it may prove difficult. The stone has so much aji.

I think I will go with a move at w30 because I do not like this picture:

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[go]$$Wcm30 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Blacks shape is awfully good and his territory is not small. Also black X can live at anytime.


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[go]$$Wcm30 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . a . X . . . |
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I feel like this is the proper way to use my g4 strength and also attack blacks shape. After blacks solid capture at b32, white still has aji at both A and B.

Any thoughts on these two diagrams?
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