[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . , X O . 1 . . | $$ | . . . . 4 3 2 5 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
It seems like there's a few ways this could go: 1) White kills black's invasion outright, and black resigns 2) Black lives inside, and white's group dies 3) Black lives inside, but white lives also; I think black will win in this case, but it depends on white's damage 4) Black dies inside, but gains enough forcing moves around the edge to win anyway, for example something like:
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X 7 . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . , X O 4 1 6 . | $$ | . . . . 5 3 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X 7 . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . , X O 4 1 6 . | $$ | . . . . 5 3 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
My opponent will not let me off that easy, of course. It's very possible I just die inside, but I'd rather go down in a blaze of glory than lose by something like this:
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X 1 9 | $$ | . O X . X X O O 5 | $$ | . X , . X O , 6 7 | $$ | . . X . . O . 0 8 | $$ | . . , X O . . . . | $$ | . . 3 2 4 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X 1 9 | $$ | . O X . X X O O 5 | $$ | . X , . X O , 6 7 | $$ | . . X . . O . 0 8 | $$ | . . , X O . . . . | $$ | . . 3 2 4 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . 4 3 5 . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X X X | $$ | 2 O X . X X O O X | $$ | 1 X , . X O , O X | $$ | . . X B 0 O . O O | $$ | . . , X O . . . . | $$ | . 9 X O O . . . . | $$ | . 7 6 8 . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . 4 3 5 . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X X X | $$ | 2 O X . X X O O X | $$ | 1 X , . X O , O X | $$ | . . X B 0 O . O O | $$ | . . , X O . . . . | $$ | . 9 X O O . . . . | $$ | . 7 6 8 . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
White wins by 2.5.
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 11:24 am
by emeraldemon
still there?
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 12:08 pm
by Redundant
emeraldemon wrote:still there?
Yep. I want to take a bit to get a good look at the position.
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 12:15 pm
by Redundant
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . , X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . W . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . , X O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . W . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
Disregard reading; listen to gut.
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:01 am
by emeraldemon
Sorry, didn't mean to rush you. I guess I'm excited to see what happens next
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . , X O B X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . , X O B X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O 6 . . | $$ | . . X . 2 O 5 7 . | $$ | . . , X O 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . 4 O 3 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O 6 . . | $$ | . . X . 2 O 5 7 . | $$ | . . , X O 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . 4 O 3 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
capturing race?
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 3:35 pm
by Redundant
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . W O . . . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . W O . . . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
I'm a couple of moves away from resigning
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:35 am
by emeraldemon
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O B . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . O B . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
I think it's going to go basically like this:
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X 9 8 X O 4 . . | $$ | . . X 6 O O 3 5 . | $$ | . . 7 X O X X . . | $$ | . . . 2 . O B . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X 9 8 X O 4 . . | $$ | . . X 6 O O 3 5 . | $$ | . . 7 X O X X . . | $$ | . . . 2 . O B . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
I'm trying to read out how to win it, but it's tricky...
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:06 am
by Redundant
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . W O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O , . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . W O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:01 pm
by emeraldemon
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O 2 . . | $$ | . . X . O O 1 . . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O O X . 3 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O 2 . . | $$ | . . X . O O 1 . . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O O X . 3 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
threatening to live
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . 7 . . | $$ | O . O X , . X 6 . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O 2 . . | $$ | . . X . O O 1 . . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . 5 O O X . 3 | $$ | . . . . . . . 4 . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . 7 . . | $$ | O . O X , . X 6 . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O 2 . . | $$ | . . X . O O 1 . . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . 5 O O X . 3 | $$ | . . . . . . . 4 . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
something like this?
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:25 pm
by Loons
I believe Emeraldemon's should be at the shapey H4 point redundant mentioned before. I have trouble finding a good way for white after that. His given prediction diagram, white seems to kill quickly and win.
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:05 pm
by Redundant
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . O O 1 2 . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . O O 1 2 . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O 3 4 . | $$ | . . X . O O 1 2 . | $$ | . . , X O X X 5 7 | $$ | . . . . O O X . 6 | $$ | . . . . . . 8 9 . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O 3 4 . | $$ | . . X . O O 1 2 . | $$ | . . , X O X X 5 7 | $$ | . . . . O O X . 6 | $$ | . . . . . . 8 9 . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O . 4 . | $$ | . . X . O O 1 2 . | $$ | . . , X O X X 3 . | $$ | . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X . . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O . 4 . | $$ | . . X . O O 1 2 . | $$ | . . , X O X X 3 . | $$ | . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:01 pm
by emeraldemon
ok, gotta think a bit
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:25 pm
by emeraldemon
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X B . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . O O X O . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X B . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . O O X O . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
Just trying to keep up pressure...
Re: 116. Redundant [~1d] v. Emeraldemon [2k] 9x9
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:42 am
by Redundant
$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X X . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O . W . | $$ | . . X . O O X O . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+
[go]$$Bcm1 $$ +-------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . | $$ | O . O X , . X X . | $$ | . O X . X X O O . | $$ | . X , . X O . W . | $$ | . . X . O O X O . | $$ | . . , X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . | $$ +-------------------+[/go]
should be at the shapey H4 point redundant mentioned before. I have trouble finding a good way for white after that. His given prediction diagram, white seems to kill quickly and win.