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Re: Growth
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:26 am
by Solomon
mongol wrote:LOL - I've never understood the mentality of not playing weaker players. If you only play stronger players, then you're guilty of doing exactly what the weaker player is doing when he challenges you. YOU are the weaker player in that case. Also, the stronger player is doing the very thing you're trying to avoid - playing a weaker player.
Me reading this post at 3:30am:

Re: Growth
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:31 am
by mongol
Araban wrote:mongol wrote:LOL - I've never understood the mentality of not playing weaker players. If you only play stronger players, then you're guilty of doing exactly what the weaker player is doing when he challenges you. YOU are the weaker player in that case. Also, the stronger player is doing the very thing you're trying to avoid - playing a weaker player.
Me reading this post at 3:30am:

What's your point - if you have one?
Re: Growth
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:36 am
by Solomon
mongol wrote:What's your point - if you have one?
I'm saying your post is a lot more confusing than it needed to be.
Re: Growth
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:45 am
by mongol
Araban wrote:mongol wrote:What's your point - if you have one?
I'm saying your post is a lot more confusing than it needed to be.
Maybe. The idea is pretty obvious, and basically it comes down to expecting others - stronger players - to do the very thing you refuse to do yourself, which is play weaker players. And as obvious as it is, seems a lot of those who adhere to that philosophy don't actually realize it.
Re: Growth
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 7:56 am
by daniel_the_smith
I think that might have had more to do with the 3:30 AM than the post itself

Re: Growth
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 7:58 am
by Chew Terr
I can't argue with any post that has Jackie Chan in it. =)
Re: Growth
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 3:47 am
by hailthorn011
mongol wrote:Horibe wrote:Of course I was sarcastic, but fundamentally, if everyone only plays people stronger than they are, there will be no games.
LOL - I've never understood the mentality of not playing weaker players. If you only play stronger players, then you're guilty of doing exactly what the weaker player is doing when he challenges you. YOU are the weaker player in that case. Also, the stronger player is doing the very thing you're trying to avoid - playing a weaker player.
That always did strike me as funny. It's a conundrum! Of course, I've been playing weaker players recently. So that's not really an issue.
Oh, and totally unrelated, I know, I completely forgot today was my birthday. -_- I didn't want to create a whole thread to say that. I just thought someone might find that funny.
Re: Growth
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 4:07 am
by topazg
hailthorn011 wrote:Oh, and totally unrelated, I know, I completely forgot today was my birthday. -_- I didn't want to create a whole thread to say that. I just thought someone might find that funny.
It would be very funny if the L19 forum is what reminded you of it

Re: Growth
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 4:22 am
by hailthorn011
topazg wrote:hailthorn011 wrote:Oh, and totally unrelated, I know, I completely forgot today was my birthday. -_- I didn't want to create a whole thread to say that. I just thought someone might find that funny.
It would be very funny if the L19 forum is what reminded you of it

<< Feel free to laugh, then.
Re: Growth
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:16 am
by Kirby
Happy birthday, hailthorn011. Sorry I don't have a gift. Buy yourself some cake, maybe.
Re: Growth
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:36 am
by Chew Terr
Happy birthday! In lieu of gift, you get a like. Hope it's a great day!
Re: Growth
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:46 am
by Toge
xed_over wrote:losing an occasional game to a weaker play won't drop your rank enough to notice -- because you already have a history of rated games, both won and lost, at your current level.
- To add: losing against weaker players doesn't drop rank any more than losing to same level or stronger opponents, provided that handicaps (or komi) are set correctly.
Re: Growth
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:58 am
by Laman
Toge wrote:- To add: losing against weaker players doesn't drop rank any more than losing to same level or stronger opponents, provided that handicaps (or komi) are set correctly.
one would think it is so, but actually it isn't. usual handicaps doesn't fully compensate the rank difference, so beating weaker players is easier, and rating and ranking systems take it into account. this oddity comes from using
improper handicap system
PS: and another interesting proposed
system, making game even just by changing the usual 0,5 komi to -5,5 in handicap games.
Re: Growth
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:16 am
by hailthorn011
Thanks for the birthday wishes. It's just bad I forgot my own birthday. -_- Normally people my age in the USA absolutely love to turn 21. But I guess I'm more of an oddity than I thought!