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#145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

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Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:16 am
by hailthorn011
On second thought, I probably won't be able to capture, but that's fine. I think :white: significantly depletes :black: influence here, and I'm positive that :white: can get set up pretty well on the left side because of :w8:

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:47 am
by Sur
Is there anyone who understands this move? It makes absolutely no sense to me. But so far my opponent played calm and strong moves and he surely put some effort into :w16:. One shouldn't underestimate his opponent that easily.

But white's O17 group isn't that happy to be tenukied from at this point. Even if it was, :w16: doesn't threaten anything. I have strong groups that couldn't possibly come to harm if I ignored this move. As an invasion it fails too. The corner wasn't yet my territory and white is just giving me influence in gote.

Does he feel like he's losing and playing desperate moves? Does he hope to trick me somehow? Or did he just have too much coffee today and is ready to fight?

I have to play calm and solid move now and see what he's up to.

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:01 pm
by Sur
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I have two supergreat awesome moves to choose from and I chose this. Lets see how he can justify his tenuki.

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:35 pm
by hailthorn011
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Well, I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting this move. I suppose I should have kept it simple and played here, but simple is boring. So I'm going to take a few risks. I wanted to play calmly, but I've decided against that. After this sequence finishes out, I'm going to take advantage of the top lefthand side. This could be pretty fun. :D

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:10 pm
by Sur
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[go]$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
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I believe this is the better side to block. If I played N13 now, he would have enough space to make two eyes, so I have to block him to deny that.

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:38 pm
by hailthorn011
Sorry for the slow response. Been a busy time!

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[go]$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
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Figured I'd play here and see what I can get. Now that I think about it, this is going to be a "fun" situation! Ha ha ha ha ha, no, not really. :D Oh well, I put myself in it. Looking forward to how this game progresses!

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:25 am
by Sur
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Captures (B:) (W:)
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Obvious. Some time ago I've read this situation that he can't make two eyes. I'll believe it, I don't want to think right now.

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:04 pm
by hailthorn011
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[go]$$Bcm21 Captures (B:) (W:)
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Trying things never killed anyone. Well, it did, but that's beside the point. I'm quite positive I can live here. I'll just have to see how it goes. :D

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:12 pm
by Sur
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Captures (B:) (W:)
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A must.

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:19 pm
by hailthorn011
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Captures (B:) (W:)
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Exactly how I planned this. :D Let's see how it proceeds!

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:24 pm
by Sur
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Captures (B:) (W:)
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . O O X . |
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Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:28 pm
by hailthorn011
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Captures (B:) (W:)
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . O O X . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And so, :white: lives. I played this sequence out on an actual Go board to give myself a visual. Pretty sure that's not illegal lol. But yeah, this is exactly how I wanted it to go. :D

Now it's time to start thinking about extending from :w16:.

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:33 pm
by Sur
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Captures (B:) (W:)
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Obviously I don't want him to live, lets see if this achieves it. If he lives in here, I lost in this exchange, but I still believe he will have to run.

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:46 pm
by Puppycakes
Black is talking some non-sense. He has already gained a lot by forcing white to live here. Why not just seal him in?

Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:07 pm
by Puppycakes
I also want to mention :w26: as a bad move. It is better to move out into the center and avoid getting sealed in.
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