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Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:02 pm
by speedchase
Sorry for a bit of a delay
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Hmm this is kinda tricky, i have two sorta weak groups. my idea was to settle the one on the right, because I think the one in the corner can be settled easily either on the left side or in the corner
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:12 am
by EdLee
Sur,
Sur wrote: I hate to be pincered, so I'm a little pissed right now
But you played
KNOWING B could pincer you. Are you saying you hate your own choice of
?
If you hate being pincered, then why play
? It makes no sense.
Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:30 am
by Sur
EdLee:
Pretty much any corner approach can be pincered. Are you saying I shouldn't play corner approaches?
You are crazy. I don't like playing white, I don't like my opponent playing overplays or invading into my influence where he shouldn't stand a chance. And I don't like many other things. It happens, I have to live with it and learn from it. Makes perfect sense to me. My dislike comes from inexperience, because I haven't played that many games and at my level opponents (and me) are still not using some techniques and many of them incorrectly. But I have to learn them, don't I? Your attitude, on the other hand, doesn't make any sense. Have none of your opponents played a move that got you into position you disliked or was uncomfortable with? It doesn't necessarily mean you should have played differently, now does it?
edit: Btw in my whole go career I've been pincered less than five times and used pincers as frequently
I think I have a right to be uncomfortable with them.
Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:03 am
by Sur
You are playing more than fast enough
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Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:47 am
by Loons
Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:19 am
by speedchase
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I think this Lives.
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Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:31 am
by Redundant
Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:29 am
by daniel_the_smith
If you listen carefully, you can hear
sobbing.
In addition to not helping the corner much and begging to be sealed in, it damages the two space extension on the outside.
Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:07 am
by Sur
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Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:18 pm
by speedchase
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I'm scared i misread but I can't find a way for white to kill
Reading:
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I have some homework to do so I'll post more reading If i get a chance. otherwise we will just have to wait and see what happens.
I am kinda curious what people are posting... don't worry I won't cheat.
I hope they aren't saying white can kill!
Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:24 am
by Sur
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He should have played B5 long time ago and I'll happily deny him that in sente
I'm not going for a kill, I hope him to live small and sad life. I wonder if I could get more from the corner, but I'm satisfied.
Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:09 am
by speedchase
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I just realized how dead I was...
that's embarrassing.
what to do now...
here is the deal, I am now behind, so i need to avoid getting attacked, and a undercut two space extension is really weak. So i am getting stronger.
Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:33 am
by jts
Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:39 pm
by Aphelion
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I just realized how dead I was...
that's embarrassing.
what to do now...
here is the deal, I am now behind, so i need to avoid getting attacked, and a undercut two space extension is really weak. So i am getting stronger.
speedchase:
Re: 146- speedchase 8kyu versus sur 7k
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:17 pm
by Loons
@jts
is locally correct shape, and one worth remembering. As you pointed out here, it has excellent followups at Q2, R3 and takes away the white attack at M3.
Trying to capture G3, which is a one space jump from white thickness would be a mistake as white. Trying to save G3 would be a mistake as black. G3 is now a useful but light reinforcement to the 'main' extension of K3-N3.
You will notice on that page, a cost of cutting is making black locally thick on the outside of the cut; which he would be happy about, here.
Assuming by jumping you're thinking of forestalling growth of the left side; the left side is still very open, and the forcing moves around C6 aren't going anywhere. Independently strengthening the bottom group indirectly makes a later invasion/reduction on the left easier.
KNOWING B could pincer you. Are you saying you hate your own choice of 
You are crazy. I don't like playing white, I don't like my opponent playing overplays or invading into my influence where he shouldn't stand a chance. And I don't like many other things. It happens, I have to live with it and learn from it. Makes perfect sense to me. My dislike comes from inexperience, because I haven't played that many games and at my level opponents (and me) are still not using some techniques and many of them incorrectly. But I have to learn them, don't I? Your attitude, on the other hand, doesn't make any sense. Have none of your opponents played a move that got you into position you disliked or was uncomfortable with? It doesn't necessarily mean you should have played differently, now does it?
I think I have a right to be uncomfortable with them.
sobbing.
that's embarrassing.
is locally correct shape, and one worth remembering. As you pointed out here, it has excellent followups at Q2, R3 and takes away the white attack at M3.