2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)

Nikolas73 · Post by **Nikolas73** » Sun May 23, 2010 12:14 pm

Jedo and I played our second game last night; I won and the series is now tied 1-1. Our next game is Monday at 6pm Pacific/9pm Eastern.

Here is the SGF (interesting game, I'm still in disbelief that Black's lower-right corner died):

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Sun May 23, 2010 12:56 pm

Redstick and I will be playing game two at 7pm tomorrow. The series is currently 1-0 in my favor.

padic · Post by **padic** » Sun May 23, 2010 5:19 pm

Aphelion and I will be playing our first round two game at 19:00 CEST tomorrow.

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Sun May 23, 2010 5:35 pm

padic wrote:Aphelion and I will be playing our first round two game at 19:00 CEST tomorrow.

Hmm, maybe round 2 should wait for round 1 to finish? I think this is how we did it last time.

padic · Post by **padic** » Sun May 23, 2010 8:20 pm

Hm, possible? Aphelion seemed to think that it was standard practice to play everything "as soon as possible". I didn't participate in or follow the last tournament, so I don't know how it was done. I'm fine with waiting, perhaps RedStick can clarify which way is "proper"?

There's certainly a bit of charm to synchronizing the rounds; I wouldn't vote against it, myself.

With that in mind, I guess we'll play tomorrow at 1900 CEST iff we've received confirmation that the rounds are not supposed to be synchronized before that.

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Sun May 23, 2010 10:34 pm

I'm fine with this either way.

RedStick · Post by **RedStick** » Mon May 24, 2010 8:13 am

I would say waiting makes more sense. The obvious danger here is to finish round 2 at the same time as the other 4 players finish round 1 and then to have to wait 2 weeks to play a round 3 game. Also, this gives a reward to sweeping the series since it gives you more time to prep for the next round. But if it looks like schedules will be less accomodating and it will be tough to play 5 games in the next 2 weeks feel free to spread the games out leisurely. Just don't try to rush through round 2.

Seperate note: Just to clarify redundant and I are playing at 7pm EST tonight.

Also:Karaklis and SoDesuNe don't forget you aren't out of the tournament. You will play each other in the first round of the secondary bracket. The route to the championship through the secondary bracket takes one more round of playing (while the primary winner gets to rest) but each of you still has a shot at being the next Kuchinashi.

padic · Post by **padic** » Mon May 24, 2010 8:31 am

That makes sense. However, I don't mean to be a bother, but: I have real-life obligations in the beginning of June, so having to wait two weeks to play a round three game actually sounds pretty attractive to me if those are the two weeks. If round two starts in about a week what I'll likely want to do is delay all the games until after June 10, towards the end of the two weeks. I don't know whether my opponent and the other people in the tournament would find that more or less disruptive than starting early?

RedStick · Post by **RedStick** » Mon May 24, 2010 1:09 pm

padic wrote:That makes sense. However, I don't mean to be a bother, but: I have real-life obligations in the beginning of June, so having to wait two weeks to play a round three game actually sounds pretty attractive to me if those are the two weeks. If round two starts in about a week what I'll likely want to do is delay all the games until after June 10, towards the end of the two weeks. I don't know whether my opponent and the other people in the tournament would find that more or less disruptive than starting early?

If starting early makes it easier to finish on time then by all means start the series.

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Mon May 24, 2010 5:24 pm

Here's game two of Redundant vs Redstick. Black (Redundant) won by resignation. I'm up 2-0. Next game is Thursday night at 8:30 est. Review by shadonra.

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Mon May 24, 2010 9:31 pm

Me and Nikolas will be breaking our 1-1 tie tuesday night at 9:15 est.

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Tue May 25, 2010 11:52 am

Padic and I played our first Round 2 game today. I took Black and Padic held the White stones. Result is B+R.

I lead our series 1-0, and game 2 will be tomorrow 19:00 CEST

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Tue May 25, 2010 7:42 pm

review of nik-jedo 3, with interspersed comments

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[Jedo]PB[Nikolas73]WR[4k]BR[5k]DT[2010-05-26]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: Have a good game.
Shadonra [1d\]: he's gone
Nikolas73 [5k\]: err, I'll ask him later I guess.
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;B[pd]BL[1792.67]C[Jedo [4k\]: have a good game
]
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;B[dd]BL[1788.649]
;W[dp]WL[1779.791]
;B[jd]BL[1786.99]
;W[qf]WL[1774.932]
;B[of]BL[1782.176]C[Shadonra [1d\]: it's a trap
]
;W[qi]WL[1763.899]
(;B[dj]BL[1775.312]
;W[jp]WL[1751.04]
;B[qn]BL[1757.971]C[Shadonra [1d\]: i'd rather play c6
Shadonra [1d\]: this is ok too, i guess
]
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;B[pn]BL[1749.912]
;W[np]WL[1725.735]
;B[qk]BL[1746.009]
;W[oi]WL[1708.792]
;B[ok]BL[1729.862]
;W[cl]WL[1699.617]C[Shadonra [1d\]: good
]
(;B[cj]BL[1720.084]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I didn't want White getting a large right side, but I suppose Black can get a large left side.
Shadonra [1d\]: yeah, that's the idea
Shadonra [1d\]: feels a little slow
]
;W[el]WL[1692.118]
(;B[dg]BL[1716.789]C[Nakamura [8k\]: big moyo game. D=
]
;W[fj]WL[1670.561]
;B[ph]BL[1707.769]
;W[qh]WL[1665.844]
;B[pi]BL[1704.118]
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;W[pg]WL[1657.256]
;B[oh]BL[1690.841]
;W[og]WL[1655.4]
;B[nh]BL[1689.543]
;W[nf]WL[1649.301]
;B[oe]BL[1674.129]C[redundant [5k\]: black ... just forced white into his moyo
]
;W[ng]WL[1625.507]
;B[ni]BL[1670.394]
;W[rd]WL[1611.017]
;B[md]BL[1666.219]C[Shadonra [1d\]: looks okish
]
;W[hd]WL[1577.971]C[oren [6k\]: odd looking game
]
;B[ec]BL[1627.101]
;W[hf]WL[1569.204]
;B[ic]BL[1616.701]
;W[je]WL[1561.349]
;B[ke]BL[1612.616]
;W[id]WL[1554.875]
;B[hc]BL[1585.654]
;W[gc]WL[1538.11]
;B[jc]BL[1580.748]C[redundant [5k\]: white really needs to k14 soon
]
(;W[ge]WL[1527.509]C[redundant [5k\]: maybe not now
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I figured teh centre group gave enough influence, and it was time to get some territory
]
;B[jr]BL[1551.643]
;W[jq]WL[1479.84]
;B[ir]BL[1544.664]
;W[kr]WL[1474.681]
;B[fq]BL[1539.141]
;W[er]WL[1447.183]C[Shadonra [1d\]: stop it
Shadonra [1d\]: STOP IT
Shadonra [1d\]: this move is when you can afford this sequence as white
Shadonra [1d\]: least, that's how i always saw it
Shadonra [1d\]: anyway, the result looks fine in this case
Loons [4k\]: In this case can or can't white do that sequence ?
]
(;B[fr]BL[1533.16]
;W[eq]WL[1427.681]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I didn't even think of E3
Shadonra [1d\]: maybe
]
(;B[hp]BL[1526.703]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: Black can live that way?
Shadonra [1d\]: dunno
Shadonra [1d\]: i'm not reading, just going off instincts
Shadonra [1d\]: anyway this definitely won't live
]
;W[fp]WL[1423.621]
;B[gp]BL[1518.883]C[Loons [4k\]: it's a fight eh
Shadonra [1d\]: hane's painful
Nikolas73 [5k\]: right
]
(;W[fo]WL[1412.416]
;B[es]BL[1514.877]C[Shadonra [1d\]: this move doesn't make a whole lot of sense
Shadonra [1d\]: the group
Shadonra [1d\]: isn't alive yet and you're playing endgame
]
;W[qc]WL[1369.675]
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;W[hn]WL[1341.741]
;B[dr]BL[1440.03]C[Shadonra [1d\]: ok, good, w's sealing in before he kills
]
;W[nn]WL[1298.127]C[Shadonra [1d\]: not sure what to make of this
Prophet19 [11k\]: cap? maybe?
Prophet19 [11k\]: err try to cap?
Shadonra [1d\]: guess w thinks black is alive
Shadonra [1d\]: which it is, now
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(;W[nq]WL[1244.842]
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(;W[pr]WL[1230.759]
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;B[jn]BL[1208.727]C[Shadonra [1d\]: yo
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;W[ko]WL[1044.115]C[Shadonra [1d\]: oh wow, white's getting destroyed
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;B[kn]BL[1172.312]C[Shadonra [1d\]: i was expecting this:
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(;W[ln]WL[982.649]C[Shadonra [1d\]: b+15
Shadonra [1d\]: this bit was silly
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;B[lp]BL[1146.547]C[Shadonra [1d\]: is my guess
Shadonra [1d\]: now b+r
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;B[im]BL[996.908]C[Shadonra [1d\]: because i read this
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(;W[il]WL[908.77]C[Shadonra [1d\]: this is where it's clear black is screwt
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;B[hl]BL[976.56]C[Shadonra [1d\]: ok, maybe i can't read
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;W[hk]WL[858.759]C[oren [6k\]: reading is optional
Nikolas73 [5k\]: we used a lot of our time around here, I also read something like that..
]
;B[gk]BL[931.977]C[Shadonra [1d\]: it really is
Shadonra [1d\]: i got 6k without being able to read
]
(;W[ik]WL[815.688]C[Shadonra [1d\]: noooo
Shadonra [1d\]: h10! h10!
]
;B[fl]BL[875.318]
(;W[gm]WL[745.935]
;B[gl]BL[841.778]
;W[gj]WL[736.526]
;B[em]BL[806.497]C[Shadonra [1d\]: so uh.. who's here and watching this game?
Shadonra [1d\]: seems some people are doing other stuff
redundant [5k\]: i'm here
Nakamura [7k\]: I am here.
Shadonra [1d\]: ok then
redundant [5k\]: watching this game turned naka into a 7k!
Shadonra [1d\]: feels like it'll turn me into a 1k
Shadonra [1d\]: there's three moves that work and none of them are hard to figure out
Nakamura [7k\]: Haha.
]
;W[ek]WL[655.035]
;B[fm]BL[791.065]
;W[dm]WL[642.854]
;B[fn]BL[719.515]C[Shadonra [1d\]: suddenly, it became a close game
]
;W[go]WL[620.423]
;B[eo]BL[715.849]
;W[do]WL[593.729]C[redundant [5k\]: I don't like the opening in this game
Nakamura [7k\]: Yeah, big moyo?
redundant [5k\]: move 7 feels wrong
redundant [5k\]: just don't like it
Nakamura [7k\]: Yeah I know what you mean. Would you respond the same way?
redundant [5k\]: as white?
Nakamura [7k\]: Yes.
redundant [5k\]: i'd knights move into the corner right away
redundant [5k\]: settle
Shadonra [1d\]: move 7 looks like a trap
Nakamura [7k\]: I was going to say that.
Shadonra [1d\]: but i'll go over it in a review
Nakamura [7k\]: I second guess myself too much.
Shadonra [1d\]: my reading says that w lives in the corner in gote
Shadonra [1d\]: bottom left
Nakamura [7k\]: Not the trap thing, the knight's move.

That's what my instincts say.
Shadonra [1d\]: not w, black
Shadonra [1d\]: hmm
Shadonra [1d\]: wait, i'm confused. blah
]
;B[bn]BL[517.236]C[Shadonra [1d\]: and now black dies in the corner
Nakamura [7k\]: He's trying for the corner?
redundant [5k\]: what is this I don't even
Shadonra [1d\]: i don't know wtf he's trying
Loons [4k\]: man sure is l19 in here
Shadonra [1d\]: all i know is h2 kills the eye on the side
redundant [5k\]: i've been eyeing h2 forever
]
;W[cn]WL[519.286]C[redundant [5k\]: pun intended
Shadonra [1d\]: listen
Shadonra [1d\]: i hate you
Shadonra [1d\]: now black should die
]
;B[bp]BL[497.276]C[Nakamura [7k\]: Haha.
]
;W[cq]WL[475.112]
;B[br]BL[492.361]C[Shadonra [1d\]: c2
]
;W[cr]WL[462.347]
;B[cs]BL[488.235]
;W[bq]WL[454.352]
;B[aq]BL[485.309]C[Shadonra [1d\]: that was unnecessary
]
(;W[dq]WL[449.859]C[Shadonra [1d\]: whatever, H2 NOW
]
;B[ds]BL[479.368]C[Nakamura [7k\]: Right now.
]
;W[ar]WL[436.177]C[Shadonra [1d\]: riiiight now.
]
;B[as]BL[476.13]C[Shadonra [1d\]: actually, doesn't matter anymore
]
;W[bm]WL[426.35]C[Shadonra [1d\]: b can't get 2 eyes there
Nakamura [7k\]: Yeah, that'd be his only eye anyway
Loons [4k\]: B can't play h2 for 2 eyes ?
Shadonra [1d\]: no
]
;B[iq]BL[437.152]C[Loons [4k\]: unfortunate
Shadonra [1d\]: this looks dead
Shadonra [1d\]: it's still dead
]
(;W[gs]WL[408.436]C[Shadonra [1d\]: fail
Loons [4k\]: shortage of liberties for W?
Shadonra [1d\]: FAIL
Loons [4k\]: Oh wait of course not
Loons [4k\]: Man my eyes be deceivin' me today
]
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]
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;W[ee]WL[333.963]C[Shadonra [1d\]: k13
]
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;W[jg]WL[315.042]C[Shadonra [1d\]: woo!
]
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;B[ki]BL[213.297]
;W[bk]WL[281.824]C[Shadonra [1d\]: and then there was all this silliness
]
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;B[ai]BL[185.679]
;W[ak]WL[243.666]
;B[bh]BL[183.215]C[Shadonra [1d\]: g18
]
;W[gb]WL[236.215]C[Shadonra [1d\]: endgame was quite good, i was surprised
]
;B[hb]BL[180.378]
;W[da]WL[230.233]C[Nakamura [7k\]: Lots of observers. D=
Prophet19 [11k\]: yeah xD
Prophet19 [11k\]: waiting for the honinbu game to make there move
]
;B[db]BL[128.043]
;W[ea]WL[222.745]
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(;W[ri]WL[200.832]
;B[or]BL[86.149]C[Prophet19 [11k\]: wait for it
]
(;W[pq]WL[174.81]
;B[po]BL[83.046]
;W[qp]WL[170.223]
;B[rn]BL[78.501]
;W[rr]WL[142.677]C[Loons [4k\]: I want to see
Prophet19 [11k\]: go on igs or wbaduk
Prophet19 [11k\]: its at the top of both of the game lists
]
;B[mo]BL[42.002]C[Loons [4k\]: W c19 B b19 B18 F19
Loons [4k\]: Because I enjoy misplays
]
;W[no]WL[113.167]
;B[mn]BL[37.682]C[Nakamura [7k\]: Uh oh. D=
Prophet19 [11k\]: l1, is it possible to capture it? (just double checking)7
]
;W[nm]WL[57.628]
;B[mm]BL[35.299]C[Loons [4k\]: what
Loons [4k\]: noo
Prophet19 [11k\]: ok XD
]
;W[ll]WL[38.511]
;B[ml]BL[26.169]C[Loons [4k\]: white what have you done !
redundant [5k\]: s2 unneeded
]
;W[nj]WL[9.064]C[Loons [4k\]: S2 possibly better spend killing M2 more soundly -_-
]
;B[oj]BL[8.892]
;W[nk]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[nl]BL[3.669]C[Shadonra [1d\]: wait, need this
]
;W[rk]WL[60]OW[5]C[Shadonra [1d\]: w should be careful, or the other fish gets out
]
(;B[rl]BL[60]OB[5]C[Shadonra [1d\]: l8
]
;W[rj]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[pl]BL[60]OB[5]C[redundant [5k\]: l8 is so close to working
]
;W[lk]WL[60]OW[5]C[Shadonra [1d\]: what are you talking about, it rowks
Shadonra [1d\]: works
Loons [4k\]: aww
redundant [5k\]: i can't see snapbacks
redundant [5k\]: ever
Shadonra [1d\]: that is true
]
;B[mk]BL[60]OB[5]C[redundant [5k\]: ...
Prophet19 [11k\]: O.o
]
;W[kh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[lj]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[lg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kf]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ca]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ji]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ii]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kl]BL[60]OB[5]C[Nakamura [7k\]: No way!
Shadonra [1d\]: close, but no
Shadonra [1d\]: m13 is sente now though
]
;W[kk]WL[60]OW[5]C[Prophet19 [11k\]: hes missing m12 :/
Shadonra [1d\]: m12, that's what it is
]
;B[ei]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fi]WL[60]OW[5]C[Shadonra [1d\]: this is a photo-finish
]
;B[lh]BL[60]OB[5]C[Nakamura [7k\]: Haha. Good game.
Prophet19 [11k\]: m1222222
]
;W[mh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[li]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bb]WL[60]OW[5]C[redundant [5k\]: !
Shadonra [1d\]: WHAT
Loons [4k\]: wait
redundant [5k\]: FINISH HIM
RedStick [6k\]: ?
Prophet19 [11k\]: LOL
Prophet19 [11k\]: DOOO ITTT
Loons [4k\]: N11 amirighte
padic [5k\]: ohh.. ouch
Prophet19 [11k\]: FATALITY
]
;B[bc]BL[60]OB[5]C[Prophet19 [11k\]: NOOWWWEEE
Shadonra [1d\]: WHAT IS THIS
redundant [5k\]: I DON'T EVEN
]
(;W[bo]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[km]BL[60]OB[5]C[Prophet19 [11k\]: LOOK AT L7
Prophet19 [11k\]: DONE
Shadonra [1d\]: DONE
Prophet19 [11k\]: DONNNNEEE
RedStick [6k\]: there we go
Prophet19 [11k\]: best part.
Shadonra [1d\]: thanks for the exciting game
Nikolas73 [5k\]: that tesuji book I bought is finally paying off..
Nikolas73 [5k\]: thanks for reviewing :-)

Prophet19 [11k\]: xD
Shadonra [1d\]: welcome
Prophet19 [11k\]: nikolas
Prophet19 [11k\]: epic kill
]
;W[jk]WL[60]OW[5]C[Nakamura [7k\]: !D=
]
;B[hj]BL[60]OB[5]C[Prophet19 [11k\]: DONNNEWEEE
Loons [4k\]: O_O
]
;W[ij]WL[60]OW[5]C[Nakamura [7k\]: Wow.
]
;B[hi]BL[60]OB[5]C[Prophet19 [11k\]: OWWNEEDD
Shadonra [1d\]: good game!
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Thanks
Jedo [4k\]: thanks for the game
Prophet19 [11k\]: GG!
Shadonra [1d\]: very exciting
Nakamura [7k\]: Yes, very good game. Exciting.
])
(;W[km]C[Prophet19 [11k\]: i cant stop laughing XD epic
]))
(;B[kl]
(;W[kk]
;B[lk])
(;W[lk]
;B[kk]
;W[km]
;B[lj])))
(;B[kl]C[Shadonra [1d\]: lol what
]))
(;W[po]
;B[pq]
;W[qr]
;B[qq]
;W[rq]
;B[qp]
;W[rn]))
(;W[or]C[Shadonra [1d\]: would you like a review?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: that was a very exciting game, yes ^^
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes, please
Jedo [4k\]: i cant now, but if you guys save it ill look at it later
Jedo [4k\]: thanks again
Shadonra [1d\]: give me control please
Shadonra [1d\]: thanks!
Nikolas73 [5k\]: oh, alright. Jedo - when is a good time for the next game?
]))
(;W[fs]
;B[gs]C[Shadonra [1d\]: you got lucky
]
;W[hr]
;B[js]
;W[hs]C[Shadonra [1d\]: no, damn that shortage of libs
Loons [4k\]: if B gets h2 instead of j3
]))
(;W[hr]
;B[cp]
;W[dq]
;B[co]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes, at this point I saw that and started to worry...
]
;W[dn]
;B[bm]
;W[bl]
;B[ao]
;W[am]))
(;W[gj]
;B[em]
;W[fk]
;B[gl]
;W[dl]))
(;W[hj]
;B[gj]
;W[gl]))
(;W[hk]
;B[il]
;W[jk]
(;B[ik]C[Shadonra [1d\]: what the hell did i read
Shadonra [1d\]: oh right
]
;W[ij]
;B[gl])
(;B[gm]
;W[gn]C[Shadonra [1d\]: yeah i dunno.
])))
(;W[lp]
;B[mp]
;W[mo]
;B[kp]
;W[ln]
;B[lp]
;W[mr]
;B[in]C[Shadonra [1d\]: guess w didn't think that was good enough
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I was expecting the ko, but didn't read that part =/
]))
(;W[pq]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I was thinking of O6 or N7 for my next move, I guess it reduces Black's centre a little?
Shadonra [1d\]: yeah, it does, and enlarges w. i see it now
Shadonra [1d\]: ugly shape, hard to do much with it
]
;B[pr]
;W[op]
;B[or]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I didn't think White would manage to prevent both..
]
;W[qr]
;B[lo]
(;W[lm]
;B[kn])
(;W[lp]
;B[mp]
;W[mo]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: my plan was to either capture White's 5 stones or run out here
]
;B[kp]
;W[ko]
;B[lp]
;W[ln]
;B[jo]
;W[kn])))
(;W[pq]
;B[nq]
;W[lo]
;B[op]
;W[oo]
;B[po]
;W[qp]
;B[pr]
;W[qr]C[Shadonra [1d\]: dead
]
;B[os]))
(;W[iq]
(;B[hq]
;W[js]
;B[hs]
;W[gr]
;B[hn])
(;B[hr]
;W[hq]
;B[gq]
;W[gs])))
(;B[fp]
;W[hq]
;B[hr]
;W[ho]
;B[do]))
(;B[eq]
(;W[dr]
;B[dq]
;W[cq]C[Shadonra [1d\]: if you can't., the sente descent is too good for black
])
(;W[dq]
;B[fr]
;W[dr]
;B[hp])))
(;W[jf]C[Shadonra [1d\]: yeah.. well, if you can invade the bottom, you're good
Shadonra [1d\]: your territory is quite solid, white's isn't
]))
(;B[fj]C[Shadonra [1d\]: let him invade
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
]))
(;B[jj]C[Shadonra [1d\]: maybe?
]))
(;B[qe]
;W[pf]
;B[pe]C[Shadonra [1d\]: bad shape, good move
Nikolas73 [5k\]: oh, I didn't know that continuation
]
;W[og]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: and I've been playing P14 for months O_o
]
;B[ng]
;W[oh]
;B[nf]))[/sgf-full]

Nikolas73 · Post by **Nikolas73** » Tue May 25, 2010 7:55 pm

Ah, Shaddy beat me here. Thanks again for reviewing! Needless to say I won the game (it was very close, very exciting), and lead the series 2-1. Jedo, I will contact you to discuss when the next game is.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue May 25, 2010 8:28 pm

Nikolas73 : FYI
P14 will work at kyu level but if you play against stronger player you will not be successful.
you will have to feel why it is a bad move yourself so i am just telling you the answer.
when you feel that P14 is a bad move you may be 1D level certified.

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