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Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:17 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm21 :black: 14| :white: 13
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 8 6 X . X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . , 3 2 , O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]


Scary but fun - the best way to play Go :D

Some really complicated reading here ...

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:57 pm
by luigi
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[go]$$Bcm21 :black: 15| :white: 14
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 8 6 X 9 X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . , 3 2 , O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

Not a game for the fainthearted, indeed! :)

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:07 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm21 :black: 15| :white: 15
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 8 6 X 9 X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . , 3 2 , O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . 0 X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:09 pm
by luigi
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[go]$$Bcm31 :black: 16| :white: 15
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . , X O , O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , . . , . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

Do or die. :rambo:
The game has moved on to a complicated, do-or-die fight for life, and White has clearly the upper hand in it.

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:57 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm31 :black: 16| :white: 15
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . , X O , O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , . . , . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]


Into that valley we go!

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:51 pm
by luigi
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[go]$$Bcm31 :black: 17| :white: 16
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . , X O , O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , . 3 , . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:25 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm31 :black: 17| :white: 17
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . , X O , O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , . 3 , . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:38 am
by luigi
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[go]$$Bcm31 :black: 18| :white: 17
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . , X O , O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , . 3 , . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

As an example, :w36: at j12 doesn't work:

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[go]$$Bcm31 :black: 18| :white: 17
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 8 9 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 X 6 . X 0 . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . , X O , O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , . 3 , . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm41 :black: 18| :white: 17
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 6 X X X . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X . X O 7 |
$$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . , X O 2 O O 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O 1 X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , . X , . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O 3 . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

... flipping White's group.

Similarly, I think :w36: at h13 doesn't work, either.

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:56 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm31 :black: 18| :white: 18
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . , X O , O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , . 3 6 . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:24 am
by luigi
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[go]$$Bcm31 :black: 19| :white: 18
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . , X X , O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 X 7 O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , . 3 6 . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

Maybe you didn't realize this capture was possible? We can go back if you want.

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:03 pm
by hyperpape
I definitely didn't see it.

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:16 pm
by christian freeling
hyperpape wrote:I definitely didn't see it.

It may be quite difficult for Go players to not look at Loose through 'Go glasses', at least initially. This is an example that for more seasoned players would most likely be filed under 'basic tactics'. It's all about 'false eye recognition'. At the same time I feel it does require more visual dexterity recognizing life/death situations in Loose than in Go.

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:25 pm
by topazg
Mmmmmm, very nice :)

No, I'd need to go back a few moves to replan around that, and that seems unreasonable - too much liberty counting in Go form, and not enough paying attention to Loose rules - very nicely played, I resign!

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:49 pm
by Bill Spight
It is hard to see that :w36: took away a White liberty. I sure missed it. ;)

Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:01 pm
by luigi
topazg wrote:Mmmmmm, very nice :)
No, I'd need to go back a few moves to replan around that, and that seems unreasonable - too much liberty counting in Go form, and not enough paying attention to Loose rules - very nicely played, I resign!

OK, thanks for the game, topazg. I must confess that I didn't expect to win in the least, especially after giving up the lower right corner in exchange for nothing right in the opening.

I think :w34: was your losing move. Instead, :w34: at :b35: would have been winning:

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[go]$$Bcm31 :black: 17| :white: 17
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . , . . 5 X O , O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 4 O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 X 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , 6 3 8 . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm41 :black: 17| :white: 17
$$ -----------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . , . 1 X X O 4 O O . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 O O O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X O 5 X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . , O X O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

... winning the capturing race and the game.

You defended the corner very well throughout the game. I was expecting to capture it much earlier, but I think :b21: was a mistake. I should have simply played at l9 instead.
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