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Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:17 am
by topazg
$$Bcm21 :black: 14| :white: 13
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 :black: 14| :white: 13
Scary but fun - the best way to play Go
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:57 pm
by luigi
$$Bcm21 :black: 15| :white: 14
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 :black: 15| :white: 14
Not a game for the fainthearted, indeed!
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:07 am
by topazg
$$Bcm21 :black: 15| :white: 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 :black: 15| :white: 15
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:09 pm
by luigi
$$Bcm31 :black: 16| :white: 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 :black: 16| :white: 15
Do or die.
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:57 pm
by topazg
$$Bcm31 :black: 16| :white: 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 :black: 16| :white: 15
Into that valley we go!
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:51 pm
by luigi
$$Bcm31 :black: 17| :white: 16
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 :black: 17| :white: 16
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:25 pm
by topazg
$$Bcm31 :black: 17| :white: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 :black: 17| :white: 17
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:38 am
by luigi
$$Bcm31 :black: 18| :white: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 :black: 18| :white: 17
As an example,
at j12 doesn't work:
$$Bcm31 :black: 18| :white: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 :black: 18| :white: 17$$Bcm41 :black: 18| :white: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm41 :black: 18| :white: 17
... flipping White's group.
Similarly, I think
at h13 doesn't work, either.
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:56 am
by topazg
$$Bcm31 :black: 18| :white: 18
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 :black: 18| :white: 18
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:24 am
by luigi
$$Bcm31 :black: 19| :white: 18
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 :black: 19| :white: 18
Maybe you didn't realize this capture was possible? We can go back if you want.
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:03 pm
by hyperpape
I definitely didn't see it.
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:16 pm
by christian freeling
hyperpape wrote: I definitely didn't see it.
It may be quite difficult for Go players to not look at Loose through 'Go glasses', at least initially. This is an example that for more seasoned players would most likely be filed under 'basic tactics'. It's all about 'false eye recognition'. At the same time I feel it
does require more visual dexterity recognizing life/death situations in Loose than in Go.
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:25 pm
by topazg
Mmmmmm, very nice
No, I'd need to go back a few moves to replan around that, and that seems unreasonable - too much liberty counting in Go form, and not enough paying attention to Loose rules - very nicely played, I resign!
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:49 pm
by Bill Spight
It is hard to see that
took away a White liberty. I sure missed it.
Re: Loose - luigi vs topazg
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:01 pm
by luigi
topazg wrote: Mmmmmm, very nice
No, I'd need to go back a few moves to replan around that, and that seems unreasonable - too much liberty counting in Go form, and not enough paying attention to Loose rules - very nicely played, I resign!
OK, thanks for the game, topazg. I must confess that I didn't expect to win in the least, especially after giving up the lower right corner in exchange for nothing right in the opening.
I think
was your losing move. Instead,
at
would have been winning:
$$Bcm31 :black: 17| :white: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 :black: 17| :white: 17$$Bcm41 :black: 17| :white: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm41 :black: 17| :white: 17
... winning the capturing race and the game.
You defended the corner very well throughout the game. I was expecting to capture it much earlier, but I think
was a mistake. I should have simply played at l9 instead.
at j12 doesn't work:
was your losing move. Instead, 
would have been winning:
was a mistake. I should have simply played at l9 instead.