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Re: #162 - topazg vs sur
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:33 am
by topazg
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Re: #162 - topazg vs sur
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:08 am
by illluck
Regarding the shape on lower right, I managed to get a game against a YC 9d on DGS at 6 stones and had a transposition to the same shape after the cut.
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;FF[4]GM[1]
PC[Dragon Go Server:
http://www.dragongoserver.net/ ]
DT[2012-04-15,2012-04-17]
GN[MaebaraK1-illluck-727108-20120417]
GC[Game ID: 727108, rated]
PB[David Wang (illluck)]
PW[柴刀女 (MaebaraK1)]
BR[2 kyu]
WR[6 dan]
OT[Japanese byoyomi: 90 days + 1 day per move and 10 extra periods]
RU[Japanese]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
HA[6]
AB[pj][dj][dd][pp][dp][pd]PL[W]
;MN[1]W[nc]
;B[jp]
;W[fc]
;B[fd]
;W[gd]
;B[fe]
;W[cc]
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;W[dc]
;B[gc]
;W[ec]
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;W[ed]
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;W[de]
;B[ce]
;W[df]
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;W[cg]
;B[dg]
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;W[eg]
;B[dh]
;W[fg]
;B[gg]
;W[fh]
;B[bg]
;W[gf]
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I think the result currently is good for me (though I suspect a few more moves may change my mind :p). I think for the cut to work there has to be a working ladder as well as support on the side that will get pressed down by white.
Re: #162 - topazg vs sur
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:45 pm
by Sur
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After a lot of thoughts put into this, I'm going with my feeling and trying something new for me. Low pincer and the diagram were other possibilities in the end with
. Topazg getting sente worries me, but I still believe that it's necessary.
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Re: #162 - topazg vs sur
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:10 am
by topazg
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Re: #162 - topazg vs sur
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:20 am
by Sur
This looks like an overplay to me. I can't understand why he played it. He may think he's behind (no way
) or he just wants to mess with me because I'm weaker. Anyway, he has two superweak strones inside my huge influence. I need to come up with a move that attacks both of the stones at the same time and doesn't leave any unnecessary aji. Quite a challenge.
Re: #162 - topazg vs sur
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:25 am
by Sur
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Re: #162 - topazg vs sur
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:23 pm
by topazg
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Ok, this is the side I want, I should be able to live here ok I think, but there's some complicated reading if he hanes and then descends:
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. Topazg getting sente worries me, but I still believe that it's necessary.
) or he just wants to mess with me because I'm weaker. Anyway, he has two superweak strones inside my huge influence. I need to come up with a move that attacks both of the stones at the same time and doesn't leave any unnecessary aji. Quite a challenge.