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35. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 8:53 pm
by Bill Spight
Kirby wrote:
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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Now it's time to play this move, I think. It is big for both white and black. I don't have any tricky moves to reduce white's influence right now - but I don't think I need any. I'm going to win on territory alone!


My feeling is that this is an unwise approach. It may be successful at 3 stones, but. . . . Black has already gone for peanuts in the top right corner, while apparently letting his pincer stone die a dog's death. I believe in sacrifice, but really!

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
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It seems to me that after :w2: Black has already lost one stone of his advantage, if not more.

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
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IMO, this is more like it. :) :b1: keeps White from expanding his framework here, and calls, albeit distantly, to :bc: . It also threatens to make a nice framework on the left side.

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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:20 pm
by Kirby
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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This move makes the right less valuable. A white approach would be too good for him...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:30 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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i think i can secure my points now...
solid two marked stone on right will limit black's growth somewhat.
i dont see anyplace for black to get big points.
i think now i can match points to points and influence to influence.
one marked black stone in the middle will be attacked and he wont have any big sides or corner.
almost an even game.

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . W W . . |
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i have some time now so i will comment on kerby's game.
as i explained earlier black lost few points. now by defending corner he lose aji and sente.
too painful. so he must achieve sente by exchanging 1 and 2.(exchange is necessary to protect the corner)
after that something like 3 will limit white's growth.

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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and also why he answer my shoulder move was wrong.
white is showing a sign of growth (like hulk) and he helped me grow even bigger by giveing me a push.
below is a picture that i would've played. i still dont like white's moyo but it is much better than Kerby's choice.
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
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$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . C X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
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is he serious???
can he not see that white is growing uncontrolablely?
10 out of 10 players over 5 dan will play 2. 100 out of 100 will not answer at "a"
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


another mistake. black can not play this way and expect to win.
i think he believes he has advantage because of 3 stone handy.
he already lost more than 1 stone. i would have went in deep as 1.
it is not easy to attack with cap because of a,b aji.
and i will not draw boundary to secure my point. (i probably tenuki)
but he has to play at least 1. it is that urgent.
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . b . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . a . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . 1 . . . O . O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


to: daniel_the_smith and others
see what happens if you say you like my comment?
you will get more comments :)

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:33 pm
by Bill Spight
Kirby wrote:
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . B X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Right after I posted my move, I changed my mind. I originally was going to play this:
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It seems like quite a large move. However, I think that white getting this move is too big:

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to remain patient. I think that this move is the biggest one right now.


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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . a X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I agree that :w2: is too big to allow. But then why not play at 2 instead of "a"?

"The opponent's play is my play." :)

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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:51 pm
by Kirby
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . B . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I want to reduce white's area. I don't think he can stop me...

With all of these comments, I wonder how much I'm publicly embarassing myself this time. Ah well, I don't care. I'm glad to have feedback for later!

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 1:23 am
by daniel_the_smith
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . B X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . B . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The marked moves are moves I'd rather lose a handicap game than play. I'm sure I couldn't give Kirby any stones, but seeing those moves would make me very happy as white in a handicap game.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 1:24 am
by Violence
Kirby:
The most important thing is a consistent attitude and a calm mind. He can't beat you unless you beat yourself. Just remember to keep it together and read steadily.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 2:20 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 5:12 am
by Magicwand
this game Kerby's mind is not functioning properly.
i remember a friend of mine who takes 3 stone played me series of game with changing handycap on each defeat. he lost on 7 stones and 8 stones and wen down to 9 stones.
after the defeat your minds plays trick on you and play over defensive.
i dont know what he has in his mind..but i think it is a perfect timing for him to probe as below.
but since he is playing aji keshi the probe is not effective as before.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . 3 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . C . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


or as below.
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . C . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:19 am
by Kirby
Well, I don't know where to play right now. Violence's comment to me - thanks, Violence, by the way - seems to be evidence that I am not thinking and reading clearly right now... So I'd better take a bit of time to get back into the right mindset.

If that is the case, I don't know what my problem is. This is a 3-stone handicap, for crying out loud!
...

Magicwand said that he was a 5d on tygem, which is isn't that strong... Aside from the game, just thinking in a "meta sense", he seems unstoppable to me right now, though...


I have to keep a calm attitude, and a calm mind, I guess... I don't know if I have that right now. I'll try to get it before making a new move.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:19 am
by Kirby
I'm going to take a bit of time on this move, Magicwand.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:47 am
by Bill Spight
My sealed move:

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O S . B . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O S . S , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . S . 1 . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O S . . . B . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . S . S O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I do not like Black's position, but :b1: looks pretty flexible (thus, light) to me. Note the jump attachments and the jump out into the center (marked). I have also marked other points that are diagonally "connected" to :b1: and the marked Black stones. Sonoda Yuichi points out that stones with that kind of relation are positioned to make eyes (like a diamond shape). And making eyes is a major concern for Black. I do not really have any experience with focusing on that kind of relationship, but :b1: certainly exploits it. :)

Edit: Unhidden. Black did pretty well with the attachment on the top side. :)

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 9:48 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . B , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move is a probe to see how Magicwand responds. Based on his response, I will adjust my action. I thought about a few of the following:

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[go]$$Bc Diagram A
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 3 . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 1 2 X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . 4 O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm not sure if this is the best sequence, but it can potentially be pretty dangerous for me.

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[go]$$Bc Diagram B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . 2 X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In Diagram B, it is very easy for white to cut off my stone and get a bunch of territory.

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[go]$$Bc Diagram C
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . 1 X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In Diagram C, it's still kind of hard for me.

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[go]$$Bc Diagram D
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 1 2 a . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O 3 . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Diagram D may be possible, but white has options to make my attempt ineffective, like "a", for example.

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[go]$$Bc Diagram E
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O h g . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . b c f . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . e a d . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In Diagram E, something like a-h (yes, I already talked about "e", but I'm still thinking about it) might possibly work, but I'm having trouble reading a sequence to ensure life. That's why I chose the move I did. I think that white should respond locally. Based on his response, I can find a way to use my stones together.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 11:50 am
by Violence
Hidden from players:

Man... players like Magicwand are the most dangerous when they can smell fear... and are correct. If Kirby doesn't get his head back into the game, he will definitely lose this.

Luckily, this is a turn-based game. Let's see if he can clear his head.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 2:25 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . W X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i didnt give much thought on my move because it seems only logical move.
i am not afraid of letting him live. there are enough aji in my moyo to make a comfrotable living in my opinion.
if i can find a sequence to seal him in and have sente that is a success.
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