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Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:13 am
by Magicwand
E3
Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:09 am
by SpongeBob
Current board after Magicwand's move:
$$Bcm11 Prisoners:
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Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:24 pm
by yithril
$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
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Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:39 am
by SpongeBob
Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:37 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
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Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:09 am
by quantumf
Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:21 am
by Kirby
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:45 am
by EdLee
quantumf wrote: I think they're some way from dead. White will feel that there are possibilities to escape through one of the gaps, or create a local life (maybe in ko).
How does W live or escape? How to even get a ko? (Not like this:
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$$B
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Re:
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:23 am
by Tooveli
EdLee wrote:
quantumf wrote: I think they're some way from dead. White will feel that there are possibilities to escape through one of the gaps, or create a local life (maybe in ko).
How does W live or escape? How to even get a ko? (Not like this:
)
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:30 am
by EdLee
Tooveli,
Tooveli wrote: Well, first of all White plays first. Black will most probably play on the top next (K16 seems good to me).
You think
tenuki (to K16 or elsewhere) is bigger than killing W completely LR corner?
Re:
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:13 am
by Tooveli
EdLee wrote: Tooveli,
You think
tenuki (to K16 or elsewhere) is bigger than killing W completely LR corner?
I think so.
To simplify things lets assume that White has this in the corner.
$$Wm1 Prisoners:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm1 Prisoners:If L5 was at M5 then I think Black can put up a much stronger resistance.
If Black tries 2 (or 4) at 5 instead then it looks to me like White can find a way to connect out.
After living White will have the following sequence later if he wants it but this damages the territory in the lower left side.
$$Wm1 Prisoners:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm1 Prisoners:If we assume Black plays this killing move and that the aji remaining allows White to get the a-b endgame exchange then I think the difference between the two diagrams is ~27 points.
$$Bm1 Prisoners:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm1 Prisoners:So... is getting two moves on the top worth more than this?
On a board with such good moyo potential I think so.
$$Wcm1 Prisoners:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners:However, there may me much cooler ways to get rid of the aji in the corner such as a,b,c,d below.
$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners:If any of these 100% kill the corner while also allowing M2 to be answered at L2 then they might be best.
Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:14 pm
by Magicwand
Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:44 pm
by Magicwand
example of aji.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:this is pretty much sente for white. then black corner is not that big..
$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:this is an overplay for black because i will make life in the corner very easily.
also when ko fight starts..i will have advantage because of this corner threats.
Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:16 pm
by yithril
$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
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Biggest point on the board.
$$Wcm1 Prisoners:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners:I don't see life for White really.
$$Wcm1 Prisoners:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners:If he attaches under I block this way.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:A is pretty big. I don't think there is much corner aji, but I feel my side is a bit bigger. We'll see if I've got it in me to play b and d later. I might have too much bad aji to pull it off.
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:20 pm
by EdLee
Tooveli,
yithril wrote: I don't see life for White really.
So yithril's assessment is W dies even if W plays first.
We shall see.
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tenuki (to K16 or elsewhere) is bigger than killing W completely LR corner?