See my previous comment in this thread. Between going up and coming down, I think I prefer playing down first. I feel there's still potential for white at the top, and don't want black to get to play there first and make territory while chasing this group. So magicwand, if you wanted one of us to play up there, sorry.
$$Wcm42 Alternatives I thought of $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . c . a b . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm42 Alternatives I thought of $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . c . a b . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
All of these seem to strenghten black and they don't do that much for life.
I've seen the below happen between lower ranked players, avoid it. While you may capture part of the group, you give a free net (and therefore eye) to white.
I'm expecting black to either play a or b. In both cases, I think that blacks replies will give white a chance to move towards/invade the lower right corner.
But then again, I'm getting used to being surprised in this game.
Edit: Oh, and Jordus, could you post something? At least a sentence saying why you need to play that move? Both of us know, but it could be interesting for the readers.
first the move look good. but does it work?? my first reading NO. second reading maybe. third i dont know. finally i dont care lets run through then it will be more clear later.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:14 pm
by Violence
$$Bcm41 Move 41 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm41 Move 41 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It's important to not make bad exchanges, and to just play calmly while reading out ways to rip your opponent apart. White is kinda thin around here, so it's a matter of waiting for the right moment to attack.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:29 pm
by Phelan
Agh, mislabeled. My move was 42, and Violence's is 43. Editing my post now.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:59 am
by Magicwand
$$Wcm44 Move 44 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm44 Move 44 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i can not tell if my move works. that means people who is following my move is not sure either. so we have a hope.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:00 am
by Mosdefgo
thoughts about the move played:
The only thing I see that this move accomplishes is that is closes off the bottom for white. I tend to be a horrible reader so I think I'll wait to see what the stronger players see.
$$Wcm44 Move 44 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O X 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . 7 2 X O 4 a . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . 5 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm44 Move 44 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 2 X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . 4 1 5 X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This seems to be horrible for black. There is thickness next to their large enclosure which spells trouble. Also, the four black stones have to take n5 which seems to be gote.
$$Wcm44 Move 44 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 O X 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , 8 6 2 X O , 4 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . 5 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm45 Move 45 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 1 X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is the only move that keeps white from capturing those two stones, so it is mandatory.
I have to say, I'm nervous that we're damaging our corner too much. But Violence's last move made it clear that he thinks we should save these two stones (I can't find a way to sacrifice them that looks any good for us).
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:22 am
by topazg
$$Wcm46 Move 46 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm46 Move 46 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a O X 1 . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O b X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White must connect here to be consistent I think. I want to play 46, a, and b, all at the same time really, but while "a" keeps the fight going, it's pretty meaningless if this happens:
$$Wcm46 Move 46-49 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X 2 3 . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X O 4 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm46 Move 46 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . c O X 1 . b . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . d . . O . . . O a X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
All these moves seem to have value locally - we'll see when it's our move again. I'm sure I should have connected now even if I'd not been told already, I've created a pretty sucky position for White
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:10 pm
by Jordus
$$Bcm47 Move 47 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , 1 . X X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm47 Move 47 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , 1 . X X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
After much thought I decided on 47 because it is the best move for placing whites marked stones in jeopardy, while maintaining a nice cushion for blacks middle stones.
$$Bcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . Q X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . Q X O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , B . X X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm47 Move 47 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . a . . z O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , 1 y X X O , c . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O b X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Argh, I'm pretty much divided. I want to play a, but that would leave the white group still under attack. b would give us one eye down here, or at least a way to make one to the right. c, attacking the corner also looks interesting...
z and y seemed interesting, but from what I've read, black has good replies to both.
So I'm going to think more about this tomorrow.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:39 pm
by Violence
Man... I knew that someone would try to get fancy... what is it with people and not wanting to eliminate bad aji?
$$Bcm47 Move 47 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , 1 . X X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O b X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm47 Move 47 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , 1 . X X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O b X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The aji at a is so bad...why didn't Jordus just capture one stone??? It's such a simple move and fixes all our problems, and then we become stupidly thick. White's forced to connect out, and black stays in control of the game. Now we have this burden to worry about later on, after black links up at b and c.
$$Bcm45 Move 45 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O b X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X a . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 1 X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm45 Move 45 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O b X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X a . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 1 X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Also, what's up with this move? A is such a necessary move, creating cutting points in white's shape. Was he scared to do this, because he didn't read it to the end? Even if we lose the corner, cutting at b is super big.
Man, I'm frustrated... we have white in such an uncomfortable position and we just let it slip through our fingers.... E9 is sticking out like a sore thumb as such a bad exchange... I'd be aiming to invade now that we're thick, but I guess we can't do that anymore either.
Blah... this game's starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth... I think our only remaining option is to grab territory everywhere, at the 3-3's, since the center isn't easy to make into anything at all, thanks to the E9 exchange...
Man... I wanted there to be fighting, but it looks like we're just going to slink away and grab territory.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:26 am
by daniel_the_smith
Oh, crap. I think we lost what little advantage we had. I expect this now (not sure where is best for 51):
$$Bcm47 Move 47 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , 1 3 X X O , 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . 2 O 4 X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm47 Move 47 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , 1 3 X X O , 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . 2 O 4 X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
For the record, I think cutting at 50 would have been best for 47. I thought Jordus might capture instead, which is worse for us, but this 47 is worse still, because white gets 48 in sente.
Of course there's now a chance for a mistake from white, too-- we'll see what happens.
Hm, would magicwand really play 50 above? I think he may try to destroy our corner instead. I wonder if Violence will give up the three stones to protect the corner?
If we'd cut at 50, white would probably have to play panic moves to get eyes. That's always good for us.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:13 pm
by Phelan
$$Wcm48 Move 48 Prisoners White 0 Black 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm48 Later $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . O . X . 3 . . . . . X . O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:22 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Wow, amazing! Lucky break! White sees black's bad move and raises! My mind is boggled, I can't even see anything on this board except the corner! Seems it's a real blind spot around 9k. Violence is totally going to cut at P3. Advantage to us again. The mistakes are really canceling out in this game, it's amazing.
