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Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:28 am
by otenki
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 4 . 3 . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:43 am
by EdLee
For beginners. Instead of :w24:, capturing :bc: with :w1: was the only move for W:
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O B O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:51 am
by EdLee
DeFlow wrote:Edit: I'm sorry, I edited my move 5 min after I posted it. It won't happen again!
Originally, :w18: was posted as the outside hane at H13; a few moments later, it was edited to become the cut at F13. So that's already two undos.

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:58 am
by EdLee
For beginners. Usually, it's bad for B to allow W to capture :bc: on :w24: with :w1::
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O B O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

So instead of :b23:, B has to run with :b1:, and a fight continues:
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[go]$$
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:05 pm
by EdLee
otenki,
otenki wrote:For reference my original plan:
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[go]$$cm11 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 B W X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 W W . B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 5 . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Could you re-number the above variation (including the marked stones), starting with a move 1, instead of a :b11: ? :)

Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:08 am
by DeFlow
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 4 . 3 . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I know that invading the three space extension is also a real option in this situation, but I don't want to settle things just yet. If white solidifies his three space extension, I'll approach in the top right, if he does not, I will invade it next turn.

Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:22 am
by otenki
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 4 . 3 . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Observers:

So I'm just going to start writing this and maybe by writing this is will come up with a move because I'm a bit clueless :p

There is so much unsettled problematic possitions on this board that I don't know what to do first. Probably my next move is going to be a mistake so stronger players please comment on what I should have chosen here.

So there is still aji in the cutting stone, it's dangerous for white. Howhever if I just try to pick a fight it will get me influence on the bottom which I don't think I need. I want to use it for building a wall on the right side. I have to read to see how I can do that.

Ok so we have my 3 space extension which for some reason he did not invade. My guess is that he wants to invade it without me having a sente move on the corner. So I kindoff have to protect this group. Howhever I NEED sente in order to build my wall i desprately need :-)

Ok I think I have a strategy howhever it will be very hard. I will build my wall (or just a bit of influence) by using the aji in the center stones and attacking the center top group. The hard part will be to do this in sente so I can come back to the lower part in order to handle my group. I will stablise the group by jumping one point on the left side of my extension so i can invade the lower left later unless he protects... Lets see what really happens and if I can find a way to do all of this in sente :P

Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:59 am
by DeFlow
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 4 . 3 . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Although these two stones give him thickness in the corner (no more cut aji at E15 and 16), it is gote and I just want to invade his 3-space on the bottom. =]

Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:52 am
by otenki
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 4 . 3 . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Observers:

He wants sente for some reason and its not to protect his group on the top so lets see why.

Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:06 am
by DeFlow
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 4 . 3 . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I will invade his three space extension now. I think he either has to connect over top or on the bottom, and both choices leave him eyeless and semi-weak. Either I will build up influence to use to create a moyo on the bottom, or I'll get some territory.

Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:17 am
by otenki
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Observers:

Aha that was his plan, he wants to weaken my group and build influence. I'll just have to curse the gods and defend.

Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:21 am
by DeFlow
Lol, I thought I invaded the three space instead of keima-capping... Ah well =]

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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:40 pm
by otenki
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Observers:

Defense, but this becomes sente so I guess still ok:
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:29 pm
by DeFlow
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Observers:
Judgement of position
When I first look at a board I look which groups are strong, and which groups are weak. This is of importance because profit is made in sente by forcing the opponent to defend himself. On this board there is nothing really weak. My lower right group is close to being sealed in, though, which is also to be avoided.

Then we look at the influence and which ways it radiates. Black's influence radiates down the lower left side, my influence radiates over the right side of the board. The person with the stronger influence has the priviledge to fight more vicious, because his stones will have a degree of safety. If you have influence you'd like to pick a fight or invade.

Move choice.
Because I want to invade on the right, I will push once further on the left, so my influence will radiate even more. After Otenki reacts, I will invade the right.

Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:16 am
by otenki
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$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Observers:

I think white move does not kill the black center stones (hopefully i have read correct :p), only gains a little bit of influence so I guess I'll just counter attack the group. This move has a few follow ups depending on if white responds or not. Lets see.