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I suppose he had the same idea as me. Tired of playing on this side of the board.

But I think this is the last important move that needs to be played here.

I'm not sure if I'm right.

After this I can invade his corner and be sure he won't have too big of a moyo

With all due respect, I have no idea what is doing here. I feel this move was a wasted move. Forgive me if I am grossly incorrect. Now I'm free to take one of three big points:

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Now, my goal is to decipher which is the biggest move.

So let's do some deductive reasoning.

D3: Fixes me up nicely in the corner and works well with L3 and C11. And even if places a stone at C7, it'll be surrounded by rather strong stones. A needle in a haystack. A dwarf among midgets- Okay, you get the picture. Of course there is always C4, but I don't want to think about that right now.

So I feel quite strongly about this move. But my feelings are purely business only. Did I just friend zone a stone (joking!)? And wow, that rhymed. But I digress.

P4: Hey, P4...Persona 4! Anyway, I feel this move would be good as well because I can do SOMETHING in that right hand corner. And...yeah, really, that's all I got. Maybe this isn't such a great move right now after all. And I highly doubt it's bigger than D3 right now. Because would undoubtedly like to play D3 right about now.

Q10: So, this move is obviously quite big. But is it bigger than D3? I feel D3 is a bigger point for than it is for at this moment in time. But, D3 is likely a move that both and want.

So, if we deduce that Q10 is far bigger for , and D3 is big for both players, it would appear that I should select D3. And it does in fact seem to be the wise move. I think I realized that as soon as I began explaining the move.

Maybe I'm wrong. But I feel deep down inside that this is a great move. And sorry for the long explanation. This was more for me to try and reason this move out to myself, something I need to do more of.



Why yes, yes I did!

Black has a death wish! "a" or "b" from White will leave Black group cut off from the center, forcing Black to live inside--a tall order.

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Perhaps black thinks that he can make more by having white take gote to seal it while he takes another big point? White is concentrated enough on the top that this line of thinking seems conceivable to me.

Judging by hailthorn011's remarks, I don't think this is his plan. In any case, Black will get compensation, but he stands to lose some 20-30 points, should the group die--and that's a lot.

Okay there are too many moves I want to make.

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After c an extension along the right becomes bigger.

I really want white to respond to c but I have a feeling he will patch up his weakness on the left instead.

But I can't see how he can do that efficiently....

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idk.

okay I think

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to sort of surround white's loosly surround blacks left group.

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uggh i've been staring at this board too long.

this is the move that my other moves were threatening.
So I need to prove that his two space extension is not safe.

A move I predicted in my previous comment section. Personally speaking, I like my current position. Maybe I can attack C9 ruthlessly and gain something. Who knows?

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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 0
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completely disconnect his center group from getting to this side.

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I don't exactly like playing this. But it is a necessary move. I feel will extend. But I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 0
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I do not like B's move. there looks like there is still aji around "a"
Maybe it's for sente? I don't see a reason for him to back down.
Is this the point I should be most careful?

and doesn't "b" prevent him from tenuki?

we will see.

I don't really like this situation. But onward ho and all that whatnot.

interesting. now I have a good ladder breaker almost played it right away but realized if he played on my play I would have to respond locally and not follow through on my ladder breaker. .

changed my mind if

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$$ | . X . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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these stones have no value except to attack blacks two space extension. Which is over.

changed my mind again. This is cleaner.

Hopefully I can get sente out of this and move on. But maybe I did something wrong...

I thought about pulling my stone out and fighting.

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and starting an attack on another weak group but I don't see this as a good fight for me. Better to get the free shoulder hit.


I feel confident in this game. Though I don't know what will happen down here.

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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 0
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Unusedname wrote:

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . W , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Isn't the ladder broken after this?

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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 4 O X 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . W , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 1 X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White could also get this:

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[go]$$c Black: 0 White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X . . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 5 O X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . W , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 1 X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But I'm not sure how great a result that is. I guess it depends on what white does against black's topside group next.