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60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:02 pm
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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Seems like I get to make a base on the right. Now, I finally expect an approach up top. Given the board, I think White would get the most out of approaching the top left now. I'm betting C14 is White's next move.

Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:26 pm
by Zwergesel
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[go]$$Wcm22 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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The rule says: Approach from the wider side, right? There is space for an extension on the right, but I don't think it is better than just taking the top:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:30 pm
by Marcus
I apologize for the delay. I played a number of games on KGS today and can't seem to think straight. I'll probably move tomorrow.

Hmmm ... this is an obvious move for White to make ... yet I did not consider it and am unprepared. That'll teach me. I've hit a bit of a roadblock in my go playing and am quickly losing focus in my real-time games. Hopefully I can relax and get my head back in the game.

Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:07 am
by Marcus
Let's get this show going again:

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[go]$$Bcm23 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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I'm not sure why I hesitated so much to play this move. I guess my issue is I have no clue how to handle a counter attack from the opposite direction:

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[go]$$Bcm23 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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I do have a couple options, but I'm not sure how good those options are. I'm leaning towards 'b'.

Come to think of it, :w24: here would be a really early invasion. I suppose as long as I keep an eye on that weakness, there shouldn't be a problem.

It's been one hell of a week, and I'm really lacking sleep. Maybe I'm seeing something that's not really there on the board. :)

Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:03 am
by Zwergesel
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[go]$$Wcm24 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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Trigger:
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[go]$$Wcm24 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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I'm going to play this peaceful. He gets the right side. I get the top. But since he played a high extension he'll need another move or I can jump in between his groups on the right. This gives me sente to approach the remaining 4-4 and feels like a good enough result.

Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:32 am
by Marcus
Trigger accepted.

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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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I'm quite happy with this. White is going to have to jump in to my right side eventually. I'm strong enough there that I can severely attack whatever stones he throws that way.

Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:00 am
by Harleqin
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[go]$$Bc
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:ws: is low, :wt: is high. The left side has an opening of 9 spaces, the upper side of 6.

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[go]$$Bc
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Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:50 am
by Zwergesel
Sorry for the long delay! I didn't have time to play Go last week.
I'm still undecided between two possible moves. I'll probably make one later tonight.

Thoughts:
The two possible moves are:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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I'm not sure about the follow-up, but :b2: seems likely. The :w7: here intends to make me move out faster, but maybe it's better at 'b'. Note that the cut at 'a' doesn't work for black.
:w1: at 'a' might be good too.

The other possibility is just to approach the upper left. If he pincers me, I'll take the corner. Otherwise I'll get the left. This might be better than starting the fight on the right immediately.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . 6 . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | 7 4 3 X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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Unfortunately this ends with :w10: in gote, which means he'll be able to fix the right side afterwards.

A third possibility that just crossed my mind is to take a point on the left side instead of approaching the corner and risking to be pincered. If he plays on the right, I get my approach as follow-up:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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Aaaah! Decisions! Why is there no clock that rushes me to make one here? :D

Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:51 pm
by Zwergesel
Sorry again for the long wait :oops:

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[go]$$Wcm28 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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I'm going with my instinct here, which is probably a bad thing...

Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:44 pm
by Marcus
No worries on the delay ... I just have to figure out where I was going with this game now. LOL

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[go]$$Bcm29 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, seems like this is at least a reasonable response. I'll have to see if I can chase the White stone there for fun and profit. :D

Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:00 pm
by Zwergesel
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[go]$$Wcm30 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Instead of attacking my stone he gives his group easy life. I think I need to seize that opportunity and move out with my invasion stone. If he captures one stone on top in gote, I will cap his weak group and chase it or kill it if possible. If he defends the weak group, I can defend the top or approach the top left – whatever seems bigger.

Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:18 am
by Marcus
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is the widest area on the board. I know I still have a weak group on the right, but this feels just too big to pass up.

Perhaps it should be noted at this point that I've been losing a lot of games lately. :D My positional judgement seems really far off when I go back and look at my games. We'll have to see how this game turns out.

Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:25 am
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . 4 1 3 9 5 X . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 X 7 6 0 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . X X O . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm11
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$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . 3 4 . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 X X O X X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b c . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's say white invades here. Now won't the black stone seem too close? I would've preferred to extend all the way to 'a', or at least as far as 'b' or 'c'.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a 1 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is just my idea, but if white responds at :w2:, preventing black from playing there himself, black could then close the corner, and it seems better than simply closing the corner directly and letting white play :w2: at 'a'. But what do I know?

Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:26 am
by Zwergesel
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[go]$$Wcm32 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It doesn't feel right not to help his weak group. I'm going to play the cap and see how he answers. He certainly won't ignore this and the 3-3 invasion is still open, so I can take his corner away, when I get sente.
This is the stage of the game, that I'm usually not very good at. Direction of play is very important now and I don't know how the groups will develop and which points are most important. I'll play instinctively and try to learn from the results :)

Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:21 pm
by Marcus
Sorry for the delay. I'm currently on vacation, and haven't had much time to think of this game. I'll move soon enough.
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