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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:57 am
by skydyr
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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:12 pm
by Hades12
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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:29 am
by skydyr
Hades12 wrote: @skydyr
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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:37 pm
by TIM82
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Now back to regular programming.
Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:51 am
by skydyr
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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:11 am
by TIM82
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Yes, I thought that would be the most natural answer. I see two main ways forward, a and b.
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black has to defend the corner, and there will be some aji left there, but the three white stones feel heavy to me.
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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:07 pm
by skydyr
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I think I should get a good result on the right side with this, and
leaves good cutting aji. If white tries to take the corner at the 3-3, I will give it to him in exchange for weakening
.
at R4 is more interesting. I think making a bamboo joint in response would be fine.
Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:05 am
by TIM82
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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:32 am
by skydyr
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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:28 pm
by TIM82
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I don't like
. It doesn't put enough pressure / exert enough control on my stones en either side of the corner - perhaps I can try to tenuki? With
I'm tryin to get black to help me on the bottom, while at the same time stabilizing my stones on left. See below for an example development (I think
at B would be a mistake, since I can then play C).
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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:23 am
by skydyr
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I'm spending some time thinking about this move. I feel like the slide may be too early for white to play, at least in direct sente. I think white's goal was to strengthen the left side group, which could end up becoming weaker as the fighting on the right begins in earnest. The real question is whether I should reply directly or elsewhere or not at all. If I reply directly, is white's move self punishing?
I don't think so, because then white can approach from the right. This leads to my next thought, though, which is a two or three space extension as follows:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm31Directly trying to save the marked black stone is probably too much, but a bottom-side extension does stabilise my group, take a checking extension, and put pressure on the white stones to make a base. Ideally, in the process of white's doing this, my bottom right corner group will become stronger and remove most of the aji of Q6.
I mentioned that white is trying to strengthen the left side, but I think that may still enough aji at C for me to work with at some point. It depends on whether the ensuing fight would damage the upper left black group too much.
I've also considered a bit the tenuki to play D or E. E looks like it stakes a slightly firmer claim on the corner, at least. It would probably induce white A or B, at which point black would be induced to play C3 to stabilize the corner group. We could then trade, killing the potential of the two marked stones. In this line, though, I think black may have already lost his move advantage, though perhaps that was lost in the upper left. D seems too passive for the situation, and seems more like an "I am ahead by enough that I will remove aji and you can't win" move. This is by no means in accordance with the board.
I'm also looking at the situation in the upper right a bit, as white has plenty of invasion options on the right, and there is a lot of thinness in white's position as well. I don't think it's urgent as yet, but I should keep it in mind as I play in the future, so as not to damage my prospects there.
With regards to the move as played, if white takes the 3-3 (which I doubt) I will take E. Otherwise, I think the fighting on the right will begin properly, possibly with white living in the corner. In that case, I will try and end with sente to get back to the left and top right first.
Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:33 am
by TIM82
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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:12 am
by skydyr
I just realized I missed this post. I'll make my move soon.
Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:32 am
by skydyr
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm31I'm considering between A to kill aji, B and C to limit white's bottom group and tenuki. D and E/F look big, but I think it's too early to play them. Between B and C, I'm not sure that either of them really claim enough, but they do prevent white from taking the corner in sente. A feels a bit slow, however. As a result, I'm thinking about G, to enclose the side on a larger scale, and deal with the aji of an attachment on the side star point later. That also feels slow, though, as I don't like trading G for D. D clearly induces white to run, and after
my black corner group in the BR isn't looking so strong either. I think after G, I at least have more potential for territory than white. Perhaps I should consider trading something like H for a white defensive move, as it's on the border of two moyos and would help me make territory while attacking if white runs instead. It does concede invasion potential on the top, but I think it's worth it.
Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:17 am
by TIM82
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Now back to regular programming.
black has to defend the corner, and there will be some aji left there, but the three white stones feel heavy to me.
leaves good cutting aji. If white tries to take the corner at the 3-3, I will give it to him in exchange for weakening 
. 
at R4 is more interesting. I think making a bamboo joint in response would be fine.
. It doesn't put enough pressure / exert enough control on my stones en either side of the corner - perhaps I can try to tenuki? With 
I'm tryin to get black to help me on the bottom, while at the same time stabilizing my stones on left. See below for an example development (I think 
at B would be a mistake, since I can then play C).
my black corner group in the BR isn't looking so strong either. I think after G, I at least have more potential for territory than white. Perhaps I should consider trading something like H for a white defensive move, as it's on the border of two moyos and would help me make territory while attacking if white runs instead. It does concede invasion potential on the top, but I think it's worth it.