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Re: #234 Hades12 vs opex
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:43 am
by opex
$$Wcm32
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:26 am
by EdLee
Hmm,
=
seems a big thank-you move for B.
$$B
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Re: #234 Hades12 vs opex
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:29 am
by Hades12
$$Wcm32
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Re: #234 Hades12 vs opex
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:28 am
by opex
$$Wcm34
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Re: #234 Hades12 vs opex
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:42 pm
by Hades12
$$Wcm34
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seems good.
$$Wcm34
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm34Wanted to play here but at least r9 starts an attack on whites corner.
And I'll make my moyo larger soon.
Re: #234 Hades12 vs opex
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:04 pm
by Hades12
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:26 am
by EdLee
Hades12 wrote: The UL corner is a possible fifteen but he needs another move.
Maybe Hades is not looking at the weaknesses in his shapes.
still has (a), followed by (b) -- or, the other way? -- to cut
into pieces:
$$Wm34
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, maybe B wanted something like
:
$$B
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Re: #234 Hades12 vs opex
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:25 am
by Uberdude
Re:
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:37 am
by Uberdude
@ Ed
EdLee wrote: Hmm,
=
seems a big thank-you move for B.
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BEd did you think of this diagram independently before hades? A thank you move is a bad move which your opponent is happy to answer, do you really think 32 is bad and 33 good? Who do you think the 1 2 exchange benefits?
Re: #234 Hades12 vs opex
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:49 am
by opex
$$Wcm36
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Okay, i'll take the corner then.
$$Wcm36
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm36I can't decide whether to take the corner with
a and ask black to connect or go ahed and cut him at
b , try to force him to run and enclose top in the process..
Re: #234 Hades12 vs opex
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:40 am
by Hades12
$$Wcm36
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i like this is exchange for two reasons.
$$Wcm36
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm36White has a weakness at a. Also a possible invasion at b has been eliminated. Black may be considered over concentrated but I think it's okay here.
$$Wcm36
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm36Moves that I'm looking at. Invasion at a seems hasty.
B feels like the honest move. C and e feel like they want to just minimize white. D asks white to play at the upper 2-4 and ten make a base to live. F obviously enlarges my moyo. Not sure the correct choice. Whites next move will help make the decision.
Re: #234 Hades12 vs opex
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:46 am
by Hades12
@uberdude
i expected white to push out like he did. I played it because I see white as alive with the attachment into the corner anyway. So maybe I'm leaning on the strong stones to make myself stronger. Maybe I'm wrong. I realize I have a lot if cutting points but I like putting the pressure on white with my move 35. Also I have miai I suppose.
$$Wcm36
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm36If white cuts I take b. if he takes the corner I can fix at a.
Re: #234 Hades12 vs opex
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:58 pm
by Uberdude
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:43 pm
by EdLee
Uberdude,
Uberdude wrote: Ed did you think of this diagram independently before hades?
Did you check the timestamps first before you asked the question?
I posted the diagram 5 hours before Hades played
, and 6 hours before opex replied with
.
Of course, I have no way of knowing who came up with the variation first in our minds before posting.
Yes, it was independent.
Uberdude wrote: A thank you move is a bad move which your opponent is happy to answer
Yes, I know what it is. In my games, my opponents and I make lots of thank-you moves for one another.
I'm guessing you also make some thank-you moves for your opponents, and vice versa.
Uberdude wrote: do you really think 32 is bad and 33 good? Who do you think the 1 2 exchange benefits?
When I posted, I thought the exchange
-
was good for B. I could be completely wrong, of course.
At that time, I thought
helped B. But now, if W had not played
, then B could play
at B9, forcing W to live small in gote, painful for W.
So
in the real game forced W to come out with
. So,
probably better at C11 (kosumi) instead.
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:00 pm
by EdLee
Uberdude, Hades, opex,
Uberdude wrote: @Hades
Uberdude, you are commenting on an on-going game and giving information to a player that could affect the game.
Very specific information: with coordinates, and evaluation of the status of groups and shapes and results, and ideas and suggestions.
You have done this in at least one other Malkovich game before (wish I could find the link).
I'm sure you never do this in real-life games (unless, of course, all parties agree beforehand that it's OK for you to kibitz during their game),
especially not in tournament games -- or do you ?!
= 
seems a big thank-you move for B.
still has (a), followed by (b) -- or, the other way? -- to cut 
into pieces:
, maybe B wanted something like 
:
, and 6 hours before opex replied with 
.