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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:41 pm
by schultz
Another admin has fallen! Who will fall against the wrath of the great Magicwand next time?!
Thanks for the game guys. Been fun following it.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:00 pm
by Uberdude
Thanks guys for the show.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:05 pm
by Bonobo
Yeah, thanks to both of you for making this so thrilling and for the insight into your minds!
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:59 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
You all are welcome...but actually I've been a bit disappointed in myself for recently slacking off in commenting.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:00 pm
by Kirby
Thanks for playing, guys. I was actually not sure who was ahead as of the last couple of moves, so it would have been fun to see how things played out.
Still, good game.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:47 am
by Koroviev
Review?
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:19 pm
by Buri
Greetings,
thank you so much for an enthrall ing and informative thread.
It has been rather like ones daily bowel movement for some time. Got a bit unnerving on the days it didn't happen....
Cheers,
Buri
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:05 pm
by Magicwand
Koroviev wrote:Review?
I tried to review but already mentioned all important thought during the game.
please ask if you have any questions.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:15 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Buri wrote:...
It has been rather like ones daily bowel movement for some time...
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:18 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
The one move that I really regret:
Uberdude wrote:...
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 3 6 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O 9 . . . . O X . . O . O O O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 3 6 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O 9 . . . . O X . . O . O O O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Arrgggggg! I can't belive that I missed that. I saw that 2 was forcing so I terminated the search on that branch without looking further. Move 7 is such a nice bonus.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:20 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Koroviev wrote:Review?
Sure. I'd like to hear opinions on four things:
1) The upper right when W wedged
2) The lower left
3) T8 vs B2
4) Did I miss a kill on the left? ( Jedo's suggestion looks dangerous )
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:31 am
by Magicwand
Joaz Banbeck wrote:Koroviev wrote:Review?
Sure. I'd like to hear opinions on four things:
1) The upper right when W wedged
2) The lower left
3) T8 vs B2
4) Did I miss a kill on the right? ( Jedo's suggestion looks dangerous )
1) what drmwc said..
i was surprised to see that you answere other way.
2) i think below move is the best move: (best being safest way to win)
if you count correctly on below position.. you will realize that black can not lose this game.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O C . . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O C . . . . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
3) T8 appears to be bigger and simpler.
i made that choice after careful calculation of my lead.
4) yes you did missed the kill (i missed the kill initially)
i explained correct kill move if you go back and see my thread.
i was behind until you invested many moves on my left group and i tenukied to earn more points on top.
3 stones are big handycap.. even if you lose local fight you still have many chances to win.
i recommend SDKs not to give up on handycap game after big mistake. if you keep your cool then you will have good chance of winning.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:56 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I got a chance to attend a lecture by Evan Cho, a 7D amateur from Korea. He commented on games that we played. I showed him this game. The SGF below has his comments, as best I can remember them.
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[3]KM[0.50]PW[Magicwand]PB[Joaz Banbeck]AB[pd][dp][pp];W[dc];B[de];W[gd];B[cc];W[cb];B[cd];W[eb];B[ci];W[nc];B[pf];W[ph]C[EC: Overplay];B[pb]C[EC: Very territorial. Not bad, but not aggressive.];W[kc];B[me]C[EC: Inconsistent. Play N15 or Q18, but not both.]CR[pb];W[qn];B[pk]C[EC: The best move.];W[on];B[np];W[nk];B[jd]C[EC: Overthinking. Too fancy.];W[le](;B[pm]C[EC: Wrong move for two reasons. See variations];W[pn];B[nl]C[EC: Black is not srtong enough, Should still play P10];W[ol];B[ok];W[ml];B[nm];W[om];B[nj];W[mk];B[qj];W[nh]C[EC: Bad move. White should leave this stone and play the geta.]TR[mn];B[mi];W[mh];B[li];W[lh];B[ki]C[EC: Bad sequence for white.];W[mn];B[mo](;W[mm]C[EC: Not best. See variation];B[lf];W[kh];B[ji];W[ke];B[jf]C[EC: Overthinking. Should be at L14];W[kf];B[jh];W[je];B[kg];W[mf];B[ie];W[pe]C[EC: Overplay];B[qe];W[oe](;B[qg]C[EC: Not quite best. See variation];W[if];B[fd]C[EC: Way overthinking. ( He actually laughed at this move )];W[he];B[fc];W[bc];B[bd];W[ac];B[ff];W[lp]C[EC: Major overplay. ( He laughed at this one too )];B[lo];W[jp];B[ko](;W[fp]C[EC: Another overplay. See variations];B[hp]C[EC: Great move.];W[jo](;B[jn]C[EC: Bad move. Black is strong enough in the lower right that he oes not need to run out. See variation];W[ho];B[kp];W[jq];B[kq];W[in];B[jg];W[id](;B[rp]C[EC: Small. See variation];W[cn];B[qm];W[rm];B[rl];W[jm];B[jk];W[dg]C[EC: Overplay. ( The third move that he laughed at )](;B[cg]C[EC: Bad move. The exchange now is ok for white. See variation.];W[ro];B[qo];W[rk];B[qk];W[kn](;B[bo]C[EC: Bad move. See variation];W[dq];B[cq];W[eq];B[dn];W[dm];B[en];W[em];B[go];W[cr];B[bq]C[EC: Good move];W[gn];B[fo];W[gp];B[do];W[cl];B[fm];W[fl];B[gm];W[ee];B[bn];W[ef];B[dh];W[fg]C[EC: Decision to sacrifice F16/F17 to kill E7 group is ok.];B[od];W[ne](;B[ck]C[EC: Terrible move. Black can kill. See variation];W[kr];B[lr];W[jr]C[EC: Shockingly small move. White should defend on the left.](;B[qh]C[EC: Bad move. See variation.];W[dk];B[bk];W[fj]C[EC: Good move. White now alive.];B[fh]C[EC: Right idea, but too late now.];W[gg]C[#### END COMMENTS ####];B[ma];W[lb];B[ek];W[fk];B[fi];W[ej];B[so];W[sn];B[rn];W[qd];B[qc];W[ro];B[dd];W[ed];B[rn];W[cf];B[df];W[eg];B[bf];W[ro];B[ec];W[db];B[rn];W[ch];B[bh];W[ro];B[bm];W[hk];B[rn];W[be];B[ae];W[ro];B[lg];W[sp];B[mg];W[md];B[of];W[rq])(;B[fj]CR[dk][bk]C[EC: B9 and D9 are miai. White gets one eye]))(;B[fh];W[gg];B[fj]C[EC: With best play, white probably dies.]))(;B[dn];W[dm];B[co];W[en];B[do];W[cm];B[dr]C[EC: Better sequence. Threatens G3]TR[gq]))(;B[eh]C[EC: Much better move]))(;B[dn]C[EC: Here is best, Not C6. A high move like D6 provides better balance with C11 being low.]))(;B[hn]C[EC: Better]))(;W[gp]C[EC: This is ok])(;W[gq]C[EC: This is ok too]))(;B[qf]C[EC: Solid connection is a bit better. Black can still connect underneath at S12.]TR[rh]))(;W[no]C[EC: Better aji.]))(;B[ld]C[EC: Black should finish what he started. ])(;B[oj]C[EC: If black is going to save this stone, he should do it like this.]))
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:04 am
by Magicwand
thank u for that comments
although i dont agree with all his comments but generally great comments.
moves like 121 was played with many minutes of thinking..
there is reason why i played that move.
if i played as he said i would lose on points.
not fair for him to judge by spending few sec on thaT MOVE
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:48 am
by Bill Spight
Magicwand wrote:thank u for that comments
although i dont agree with all his comments but generally great comments.
moves like 121 was played with many minutes of thinking..
there is reason why i played that move.
if i played as he said i would lose on points.
not fair for him to judge by spending few sec on thaT MOVE
Hi, Magic Man! You can type!
I trust that you are mending well.